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Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by roenxi »

empath75 wrote: post #12
jacquesm wrote: post #3

Of course they were. The United States has never before damaged its own reputation in Europe as much as they did in the last 12 months. And the same goes for Canada, possibly worse. You don't go around threatening your allies unless you really have plans and that's why you don't elect senile old guys to positions of power.

The only way the US can fix our reputation will be to try and imprison our current leadership after they are eventually removed from power. And in particular, the Trump family needs to have all of its assets seized.

On what principle would the Trump family's assets be seized? Just to pre-empt the idea that he corruptly became rich in office, that is actually fairly usual for US presidents to become suspiciously wealthy after their time in office [0, 1]. That's never been a reason to start talking about asset seizure.

Although given the current lunatic escapade it does seem like a good moment to remove him from office. There must be someone somewhere in the administration that thinks another forever war is a bad idea, even if they aren't worried about WWIII. I've never seen a presidency implode so quickly - this has to be the most illegal, unconstitutional, unmandated, immoral and ill-advised war of choice the US has launched in decades.

[0] https://www.newsweek.com/chart-shows-net-worth-us-presidents...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_presidents_of_the_Unit...

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by i80and »

empath75 wrote: post #12
jacquesm wrote: post #3

Of course they were. The United States has never before damaged its own reputation in Europe as much as they did in the last 12 months. And the same goes for Canada, possibly worse. You don't go around threatening your allies unless you really have plans and that's why you don't elect senile old guys to positions of power.

The only way the US can fix our reputation will be to try and imprison our current leadership after they are eventually removed from power. And in particular, the Trump family needs to have all of its assets seized.

The absolute lack of consequences Trump faced after his first go-around all but guaranteed the crime spree we're now seeing, and will probably go down in history as the primary blunder of Biden's DOJ.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by FpUser »

nxm wrote: post #31
empath75 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only way the US can fix our reputation will be to try and imprison our current leadership after they are eventually removed from power. And in particular, the Trump family needs to have all of its assets seized.

Imprison based on what and seize assets based on what exactly? You not liking the administration is not a valid reason for asset seizure

>"You not liking the administration is not a valid reason for asset seizure"

Civil forfeiture would do just fine. Such a wonderful tool. /s

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by Planktonne »

butILoveLife wrote: post #27
Planktonne wrote: post #4

That is a very reasonable response to the threats they faced.

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You're forgetting several factors which undermine your analysis:

1. Denmark does have allies; they're not completely alone, and they're not completely helpless.

2. The US has a track record of invasions, but not one of successfully pacifying states. Resistance works.

You're using the same simplistic logic as Russia invading Ukraine; you can't just compare population numbers and guarantee an immediate victory.

There's also a separate issue here: the US invading Denmark would lead to a lot of death and a loss of freedom for its citizens, even if unopposed. Flip your demurral: if they're going to take everything anyway, why not fight?

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by _bohm »

nxm wrote: post #31
empath75 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only way the US can fix our reputation will be to try and imprison our current leadership after they are eventually removed from power. And in particular, the Trump family needs to have all of its assets seized.

Imprison based on what and seize assets based on what exactly? You not liking the administration is not a valid reason for asset seizure

Starting illegal wars and engaging in extreme corruption, for starters.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by jacquesm »

zabzonk wrote: post #36
jacquesm wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that this is from a country that wouldn't exist if not for the allied countries and that the US has somehow managed to all but erase that reputation. We recognize our debt, we also recognize that this is to a country that no longer exists in a meaningful way. All we have now is multiple variations of the mob.

> Note that this is from a country that wouldn't exist if not for the allied countries Which allied countries? And (I assume we are talking about the USA) why would it not exist?

NL (where I live), BE, FR, ES, IT, a good chunk of Germany, Austria, possibly the UK.

We'd have been part of the German Reich or the USSR for sure.

I make a point of visiting the war graves every year, just to remind me not to take anything for granted.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by ta20240528 »

ericmay wrote: post #37
ta20240528 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK only had to send a single officer to Greenland to stop Trump's previous attempt to annex Greenland. That was a signal, thankfully there are still adults in the USA who recognised it.

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You clearly don't know British understatement.

Firing on one British officer would be as bad a firing on 10000.

It's about lines.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by aaomidi »

nxm wrote: post #31
empath75 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only way the US can fix our reputation will be to try and imprison our current leadership after they are eventually removed from power. And in particular, the Trump family needs to have all of its assets seized.

Imprison based on what and seize assets based on what exactly? You not liking the administration is not a valid reason for asset seizure

Epstein files for one

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by philipallstar »

zeroCalories wrote: post #25
philipallstar wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> that's why you don't elect senile old guys to positions of power. Anyone of principle would have been saying this before 2025, and far louder.

And partisan hacks will say that a stubbed toe and terminal cancer are both bad.

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Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by butILoveLife »

jjtwixman wrote: post #34
jacquesm wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that this is from a country that wouldn't exist if not for the allied countries and that the US has somehow managed to all but erase that reputation. We recognize our debt, we also recognize that this is to a country that no longer exists in a meaningful way. All we have now is multiple variations of the mob.

Yeah the US we knew is gone. I think about this sometimes when I am listening to American music from the 20th century, how much soft power they had, how great they made America sound either directly or indirectly. That America that we all looked up to and admired is gone. Pity.

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