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Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by fodmap »

zabzonk wrote: post #36
jacquesm wrote: post #9

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Note that this is from a country that wouldn't exist if not for the allied countries and that the US has somehow managed to all but erase that reputation. We recognize our debt, we also recognize that this is to a country that no longer exists in a meaningful way. All we have now is multiple variations of the mob.

> Note that this is from a country that wouldn't exist if not for the allied countries Which allied countries? And (I assume we are talking about the USA) why would it not exist?

'Until early in 1778, the American Revolution was a civil war within the British Empire, but it became an international war as France (in 1778) and Spain (in 1779) joined the colonies against Britain. The Netherlands, which was engaged in its own war with Britain, provided financial support for the Americans as well as official recognition of their independence. The French navy in particular played a key role in bringing about the British surrender at Yorktown, which effectively ended the war.'

https://www.britannica.com/question/Which-countries-fought-o...

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by kelipso »

Planktonne wrote: post #54
butILoveLife wrote: post #27

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You're forgetting several factors which undermine your analysis: 1. Denmark does have allies; they're not completely alone, and they're not completely helpless. 2. The US has a track record of invasions, but not one of successfully pacifying states. Resistance works. You're using the same simplistic logic as Russia invading Ukraine; you can't just compare population numbers and guarantee an immediate victory. There's…

The US is very good at turning a functional state into anarchy, razed buildings and infrastructure, and lots of death. It doesn’t really matter if the US can pacify Denmark after its population gets decimated. It’s pure posturing to pretend any government in the EU or NATO countries will do anything to resist.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by easytiger »

jacquesm wrote: post #122
easytiger wrote: post #106

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This is absurd in the extreme. In actual war there is absolutely no possibility of success for Denmark, even with the help of allies. Failure to capitulate results in nothing but death and destruction with no hope of strategic gain to begin with. What you are likely experiencing is a modern belief that screaming and shouting will bring popular diplomatic pressure to bear on the opponent, thus arresting their actions.…

No, what is absurd is the number of people that can't wait to go back to a world with endless wars of conquest. We already know what that looks like. If you have never seen war up close then I am happy to forgive you, but trust me, in 'actual war' there is no possibility of success for anybody, there are only degrees of damage and degrees of grief and illusions to the contrary are focused on the few people that manag…

I'm sorry but you are not interacting with the rational suppositions of posters in various threads here. No one is arguing for a war except you. People are explaining to you the strategic reality and you are espousing rhetoric that I honestly can't decipher.

1. Denmark cannot win militarily

2. You are suggesting Denmark would not capitulate and indeed enter into a state of war

What do you think happens in this situation?

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by goodpoint »

nxm wrote: post #31
empath75 wrote: post #12

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The only way the US can fix our reputation will be to try and imprison our current leadership after they are eventually removed from power. And in particular, the Trump family needs to have all of its assets seized.

Imprison based on what and seize assets based on what exactly? You not liking the administration is not a valid reason for asset seizure

Treason.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by ericmay »

ta20240528 wrote: post #57
ericmay wrote: post #37

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You clearly don't know British understatement. Firing on one British officer would be as bad a firing on 10000. It's about lines.

This kind of stuff masked you feel good to say but the UK isn’t going to stop the US if it (somewhat foolishly in my opinion) decided that it was going to take Greenland. Neither is the EU.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by vrganj »

closewith wrote: post #98
Planktonne wrote: post #54

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You're forgetting several factors which undermine your analysis: 1. Denmark does have allies; they're not completely alone, and they're not completely helpless. 2. The US has a track record of invasions, but not one of successfully pacifying states. Resistance works. You're using the same simplistic logic as Russia invading Ukraine; you can't just compare population numbers and guarantee an immediate victory. There's…

Denmark is completely alone and helpless against the US. Other EU nations would protest, but none would enter armed conflict.

I take it you didn't read the source?

> As a source puts it, the French said: "Would you like more soldiers? You could have them. Would you like more naval support? You could have that. Would you like more air support? You could have that too."

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by mcv »

niels8472 wrote: post #134
JoshTriplett wrote: post #74

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Open bribery and corruption (both the direct pay-for-play and the indirect via insider information), openly violating the law and ignoring the courts, betrayal of public trust, mishandling of confidential information, war crimes, take your pick of the many different choices. And the asset seizure would be for the proceeds of all the open bribery, at the very least.

Sadly, these are all fairly "safe" things for a US president to do. Either because there's no law against it and if there is he can just pardon himself and his partners in crime. I know a presidential self-pardon is controversial but realistically Trump will be dead before that legal question is settled.

There should be a law against it. It's blatant corruption. The fact that lawmakers and supreme judges have the power to make their own corruption legal, doesn't make it any less corrupt. The Nazis made their crimes legal, and they were tried anyway.

Re: Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland

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Post by iugtmkbdfil834 »

jacquesm wrote: post #79
philipallstar wrote: post #59

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Biden is looking pretty good right now.

I know it kinda goes against the tribal nature of political conversations, but, hear me out here, they both suck in their own unique ways and, more importantly, they both may be a little too old to manage this country ( though, to be fair, for different reasons ). We really need to start enforcing principles over tribe. It has gone a little too far.
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