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Re: Beyond has dropped “meat” from its name and expanded its high-protein drink line

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Post by Lord-Jobo »

orwin wrote: post #76
asdff wrote: post #65

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I hear the most ironic stuff on glp from the people I know on it. So doctor is obviously a reasonable person with an interest in making people healthy, not trying to set up glp addicts, and are encouraging better diet and increased exercise while eventually tapering and getting them off the glp entirely as the final end goal. The whole time they are telling me this I can't help but wonder what the hell is the point o…

I lost weight the regular way. You don't understand how much will I expend to not continuously eat. The strategy I deploy: I never have ready-to-eat anything home, I cook everything just before I eat it, I chose ingredients based on their satiety index, I always have something to drink. I fast 5 days every year to 'reset' my grahlin levels (it still hurts, even if it's way less than it used to). I'm still at 26 BMI,…

The “easily constrained” people like the person you are responding too don’t understand. I’m not sure they ever will.

Ive also done it the right way, and it was literally easier, by far, to get a masters degree while working 40 hours a week than it was to drop from 250 to 175. Incomparable. The constant mental pressure to eat, to eat more, to search the cabinets, to stop at x on the way home, etc.

I’ve heard “wow sounds like a severe addiction” yeah no shit. It’s an addiction to a substance you MUST have 2-3x a day. Imagine if you needed alcohol twice a day to live.

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Post by behringer »

malfist wrote: post #405
behringer wrote: post #395

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Yes but that would make it "unhealthy" for many Americans. So for the health-conscious eater, the real hamburger wins.

Salt is not a health concern unless you specifically have a specific subset of cardiac health problems. The vast, vast, vast majority of people do not have any reason to restrict salt intake.

47 percent of adults in the US suffer from hypertension: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12196499/

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Post by nbosse »

Angostura wrote: post #414
nbosse wrote: post #413

One of the underrated ways of reducing meat consumption, imo, would be to mix a certain percentage of plant-based meat to regular meat products. Imagine a world in which McDonald's would just mix 20% plant-based meet to their patties. I can see some risk for them, but honestly, long-term, I don't think people would actually mind much.

The did that in Tesco (uk supermarket) for a couple of years - sold fresh mince that contained 30% carrot and other veg. I used it quite a lot and it was good. But they stopped. I guess it wasn’t popular

oh, what a shame! Also interesting that they stopped that after a couple of years... You'd think that it would either flop from the beginning or just work

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Post by some_random »

nbosse wrote: post #413

One of the underrated ways of reducing meat consumption, imo, would be to mix a certain percentage of plant-based meat to regular meat products. Imagine a world in which McDonald's would just mix 20% plant-based meet to their patties. I can see some risk for them, but honestly, long-term, I don't think people would actually mind much.

You can already do that to great effect by mixing in mushrooms, the end result tastes great and doesn't require a billion dollar company providing fake meat.

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Post by hbn »

lambda wrote: post #132
Grimblewald wrote: post #11

I always wondered who their demographic was. The core early adopters, the ethical vegans, who actually like the taste of plants are never going to make a lab made ultra processed salt bomb their daily driver (never mind issues surrounding industrial agriculture). Health-conscious folks would take one look at the ingredient list and bail because of the heavy processing and industrial fillers. You've got bodybuilders a…

This is such a weird comment. Why do you think that "ethical vegans" like the "taste of plants" any more than anyone else? The whole point of being an ethical vegan/vegetarian is to not consume animals, not because you don't like the taste. Health conscious folks would definitely choose these over hamburgers. Sure, they're not perfect from a health food point of view, but they're lower in sodium and saturated fat tha…

> Health conscious folks would definitely choose these over hamburgers

Not sure what health-conscious people you know, but I'd hazard to guess that most would choose the patty made from a single natural ingredient that's been a staple of the human diet since the dawn of man over the ultra-processed slurry of starches and oils.

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Post by littlexsparkee »

malfist wrote: post #405
behringer wrote: post #395

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes but that would make it "unhealthy" for many Americans. So for the health-conscious eater, the real hamburger wins.

Salt is not a health concern unless you specifically have a specific subset of cardiac health problems. The vast, vast, vast majority of people do not have any reason to restrict salt intake.

High salt increases likelihood of kidney stones

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Post by Chris2048 »

lambda wrote: post #132
Grimblewald wrote: post #11

I always wondered who their demographic was. The core early adopters, the ethical vegans, who actually like the taste of plants are never going to make a lab made ultra processed salt bomb their daily driver (never mind issues surrounding industrial agriculture). Health-conscious folks would take one look at the ingredient list and bail because of the heavy processing and industrial fillers. You've got bodybuilders a…

This is such a weird comment. Why do you think that "ethical vegans" like the "taste of plants" any more than anyone else? The whole point of being an ethical vegan/vegetarian is to not consume animals, not because you don't like the taste. Health conscious folks would definitely choose these over hamburgers. Sure, they're not perfect from a health food point of view, but they're lower in sodium and saturated fat tha…

> The whole point of being an ethical vegan/vegetarian is to not consume animals

You can agree with this sentiment (ideology?) and not be vegan, if you aren't willing to give up meat. giving up meat is what defines this demographic.

Relative to a population of people willing to give up meat, would you assume there is no difference in "liking how plants taste" versus the general population? I'd assume it correlates directly with "willingness to give up meat".

> Health conscious folks would definitely choose these over hamburgers.

Maybe, but in context its a false dichotomy, why wouldn't they pick better substitutes e.g. non-average meat?

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Post by carlmr »

ben_w wrote: post #358
edgyquant wrote: post #341

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Why is that the comparison being made?

I believe the claim being made here is that "a beyond burger" is a thing which fast food chains and supermarkets will offer as an alternative to "a beef burger", that almost nobody will make their own burgers. I have no opinion about the economics of the brand itself; as a vegetarian I've always thought they were over-priced, and also that it was a shame I don't have a huge range of alternatives, as I actually like s…

> I got a kit for making my own burgers from dehydrated soy mince and/or mashed kidney beans.

Do you have a link or name for this? I also prefer black bean or lentil burgers, but I've been making them by hand really.

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Post by latexr »

billynomates wrote: post #418
latexr wrote: post #254

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Who says they eat dairy and eggs? “Vegetarian” isn’t such a simplistic label like that. It doesn’t mean “I eat exactly these things”. For all we know, they eat only eggs and from a local farm (or have their own chickens). Furthermore, it’s a bad argument to imply vastly reduced complicity with a system is the same as full complicity.

Yes that's what vegetarian means, 99% of the time. Where did I say "full complicity"? But yes, animals who are farms for milk and eggs are treated just as badly, sometimes worse, than animals that are farmed for meat.

> Yes that's what vegetarian means, 99% of the time.

What’s your source for that claim? I know plenty of vegetarians and there’s not a single one where I could assume they eat both dairy and eggs. I don’t think any of them drink milk (oat drinks and the like are common), only some eat cheese, in very varying quantities (from regularly to almost never), same with eggs.

You are assuming what your parent commenter does.

> animals who are farms for milk and eggs are treated just as badly

Again, you have no idea what your parent commenter does. With eggs in particular, there are different tiers related to the animals’ conditions. It is possible to make more ethical choices.

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Post by gravatron »

iinnPP wrote: post #292
carlmr wrote: post #268

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>it has way more sodium than ground beef you'd buy at a grocerty store We're not comparing fairly here. A finished hamburger patty is not pure ground beef. Did you ever make a hamburger patty yourself? You add salt and spices at a minimum. A more fair comparison would be looking at store-bought hamburger patties. That's the same category of food. I just compared Beyond (0.75g salt per 100g) and block house American B…

You don't need salt and spices to make a burger, it can be 100% beef with no additives. A pinch of salt can be like 0.3g/burger and you're fine as well. I don't eat that these days, my burgers are actually 25% beef and 75% lentil/seasoning. Still under 0.5g/100g

I remember working in a restaurant many years ago, where it was part of new hire training to demonstrate the importance of salt and pepper to a burger's taste. We would make 3 burgers, one no seasoning, one poorly seasoned, and one properly seasoned to the spec, and then we would taste test them all. The difference in taste was so night and day I was shocked the first time I participated in the test. Yeah I guess you don't technically need salt and spices, but not adding them or using just a pinch is not the same thing at all.
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