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Re: Beyond has dropped “meat” from its name and expanded its high-protein drink line

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Post by OJFord »

lithocarpus wrote: post #212
croes wrote: post #185

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> I don't know of any evidence that these things are a decent substitute for meat and salt which humans have been eating for our entire history. I‘m pretty sure humans eat potato, rice, peas etc. since a pretty long time. I‘m also pretty sure that the meat our ancestors ate is a lit different from the meat we have now coming from animals optimized for meat production and fed with whatever produces the most meat and c…

Potato != extracted potato starch Peas != extracted pea protein They're not the same thing. I do agree that wild meat is probably a lot healthier than modern industrially farmed meat. Just as wild plants are probably often a lot healthier than modern monocropped plants grown with synthetic fertilizers rather than healthy soil.

It doesn't actually say 'extracted' though, are we sure 'protein' actually implies that (i.e. separated it from other elements) vs. just being marketing copy to make 'yellow pea' et al. more exciting to certain people? (Protein, grr. Meat replacement, protein, grr, yeah.)

Not to mention all cooking really is is a bunch of refinement, extraction, chemical reaction, and heating processes anyway. I refine & extract & process in my kitchen all the time, including separating protein in milk (cheeses) or wheat flour (chaap, seitan, or for the starch) for example.

Re: Beyond has dropped “meat” from its name and expanded its high-protein drink line

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Post by AlecSchueler »

messe wrote: post #243
AlecSchueler wrote: post #229

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I've eaten maybe 5 burgers at home in my 35 years but I've eaten plenty more at fast food restaurants.

And I've eaten far more at home than out in my 29. It's really not that common to eat out that often where I live.

That's fine.

You asked "Who's buying Burger King more than grocery shopping?"

My point was that groceries in general don't matter, only burgers. Some people almost never eat burgers at home and eat them exclusively at places like Burger King.

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Post by probably_wrong »

level87 wrote: post #190
dgxyz wrote: post #46

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Personally I really fucking like meat but having done a couple of weeks in a slaughterhouse, I don't want to eat it. Gives me nightmares. Seriously. This is a good filler product.

This is the insight that most people need but will never have, empathy for other living things seems to be greatly lacking amongst the general population.

I don't think that's a fair framing of the problem because it focuses on empathy towards the animals while forgetting the empathy towards the humans.

Going vegan is not a zero-cost choice. It can be difficult, expensive, and in some cases even impossible due to health issues. Some users here complain about the meat subsidies without acknowledging that meat is pretty great when you're in the bottom of the economic pyramid and need food that's cheap, quick, and will provide a fair nutritional value.

I don't think you can live in a modern city without supporting some type of cruelty, as most phones and clothes alone would already be a no-go. It's not that people don't have empathy, but rather that there's only so much one can do in a day and one has to pick their battles. If you want to dedicate extra time and energy into animal well-being that's great, but let's not point the finger at those who lack those extra resources as if it were an individual moral failing.

Re: Beyond has dropped “meat” from its name and expanded its high-protein drink line

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Post by baud147258 »

unfitted2545 wrote: post #203
lithocarpus wrote: post #160

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Beyond Burger ingredients: Yellow Pea Protein, Avocado Oil, Natural Flavors, Brown Rice Protein, Red Lentil Protein, 2% or less of Methylcellulose, Potato Starch, Pea Starch, Potassium Lactate (to preserve freshness), Faba Bean Protein, Apple Extract, Pomegranate Concentrate, Potassium Salt, Spice, Vinegar, Vegetable Juice Color (with Beet). Except for Vinegar, every one of these is an industrially processed/extracte…

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> Have you tried dog meat?

I'd like to try one day. But I don't think I'd easily find a butcher selling it here in Western Europe

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Post by auggierose »

KPGv2 wrote: post #227
lithocarpus wrote: post #210

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I'm not saying they're healthier simply because we've historically eaten them. But there are many reasons to believe natural/traditional foods may be safer and healthier than new industrial foods. To name a few: 1) There's reason to believe our bodies may be more adapted to eating natural or traditional foods, having eaten them for hundreds of thousands of years rather than one or two generations. 2) Many highly proc…

> There's reason to believe our bodies may be more adapted to eating natural or traditional foods, having eaten them for hundreds of thousands of years rather than one or two generations. This is an argument that no white people should be eating pineapples, mangos, bananas, kiwifruit, etc. Hell, probably not even apples.

They will be fine, white people have, as everybody, African ancestors.

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Post by k__ »

tirant wrote: post #235
mschild wrote: post #27

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Based on my bubble, vegans, vegetarians, and meat eaters that do want to decrease their meat consumption. At this point, in Germany at least, discounter brands like Lidl and Aldi have beaten Beyond Meat at their game though. They produce alternatives that taste as good or better, for significantly less money.

I love meat and I love good hamburgers. I’ve tried those Lidl and Aldi alternatives and they were uneatable for me and my family. They have slowly disappeared from the shelves. Only a couple of products remain. I have never tried BeyondMeat but I’d be surprised that it’s so bad. And I have eaten many classic vegan burger alternatives based on lentils, peas and chickpeas. They didn’t aim to taste like meat and were ac…

In my experience, the pea-based products are pretty good.

I'm a huge burger fan and stopped eating meat at home, thanks to this wave of vegan alternatives.

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Post by messe »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #262
messe wrote: post #243

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And I've eaten far more at home than out in my 29. It's really not that common to eat out that often where I live.

That's fine. You asked "Who's buying Burger King more than grocery shopping?" My point was that groceries in general don't matter, only burgers. Some people almost never eat burgers at home and eat them exclusively at places like Burger King.

That's a fair point.

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Post by carlmr »

rcakebread wrote: post #182
lambda wrote: post #132

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This is such a weird comment. Why do you think that "ethical vegans" like the "taste of plants" any more than anyone else? The whole point of being an ethical vegan/vegetarian is to not consume animals, not because you don't like the taste. Health conscious folks would definitely choose these over hamburgers. Sure, they're not perfect from a health food point of view, but they're lower in sodium and saturated fat tha…

"they're lower in sodium and saturated fat than your average hamburger patty" If you buy a Beyond patty, it has way more sodium than ground beef you'd buy at a grocerty store. Comparing it with a fast food burger isn't really fair.

>it has way more sodium than ground beef you'd buy at a grocerty store

We're not comparing fairly here. A finished hamburger patty is not pure ground beef. Did you ever make a hamburger patty yourself? You add salt and spices at a minimum.

A more fair comparison would be looking at store-bought hamburger patties. That's the same category of food.

I just compared Beyond (0.75g salt per 100g) and block house American Burger (0.88g per 100g). The patties are somewhat similar in weight, too (113g and 125g). So both in absolute, and weight relative amounts the Beyond burger has less sodium.

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Post by baud147258 »

lithocarpus wrote: post #212
croes wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't know of any evidence that these things are a decent substitute for meat and salt which humans have been eating for our entire history. I‘m pretty sure humans eat potato, rice, peas etc. since a pretty long time. I‘m also pretty sure that the meat our ancestors ate is a lit different from the meat we have now coming from animals optimized for meat production and fed with whatever produces the most meat and c…

Potato != extracted potato starch Peas != extracted pea protein They're not the same thing. I do agree that wild meat is probably a lot healthier than modern industrially farmed meat. Just as wild plants are probably often a lot healthier than modern monocropped plants grown with synthetic fertilizers rather than healthy soil.

the issue with wild meat is going to be all parasites in the animal, at least according to friends who hunt (and when they managed to get something, which doesn't seem to be a given).

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Post by [deleted] »

barrell wrote: post #226
lambda wrote: post #132

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This is such a weird comment. Why do you think that "ethical vegans" like the "taste of plants" any more than anyone else? The whole point of being an ethical vegan/vegetarian is to not consume animals, not because you don't like the taste. Health conscious folks would definitely choose these over hamburgers. Sure, they're not perfect from a health food point of view, but they're lower in sodium and saturated fat tha…

This is such a weird comment. It’s ultra processed food devoid of micronutrients with low quality protein and poor bioavailability. Health conscious folks would definitely not choose this. In fact, it’s all the things you try to avoid as soon as you start being health conscious. Folks who want to believe they are being health conscious may be convinced via marketing to buy it, but anyone seriously invested in their n…

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