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Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Post by cwmoore »

pgwhalen wrote: post #548
cwmoore wrote: post #527

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not so sure. First the representatives are selected to be elected. A significant portion of both of your suggested halves are “complicated” by money.

You could break it down further if you like, yes. Everything is complicated by money. I wish we were better about shielding politics from money. So much about society in general is about money, it ain’t easy.

No, not “if I like”, everything touches money, and “it ain’t easy”.

Your breakdown was so simple, it was simply wrong.

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Post by SiempreViernes »

y-curious wrote: post #519
dreadnip wrote: post #511

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I quite like the EU approach. It's a decent spec. Most countries already have digital apps to verify identity, like Denmark's MitID ( https://www.mitid.dk/en-gb/get-started-with-mitid/ ). These could be expanded to fully EUDI compliant wallets and deliver encrypted proof-of-age without exposing any other identity. For example a gambling site could require MitID auth, but only request proof-of-age and nothing else. Yo…

I don’t mean to be as aggressive as this sounds but the frogs probably liked the increasingly warm water too until it started boiling. How many steps between MitID and a fork that is used to enforce extreme censorship?

> During the 19th century, several experiments were performed to observe the reaction of frogs to slowly heated water. In 1869, while doing experiments searching for the location of the soul, German physiologist Friedrich Goltz demonstrated that a frog that has had its brain removed will remain in slowly heated water, but an intact frog attempted to escape the water when it reached 25 °C.

From wikipedia.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Post by pzo »

djxfade wrote: post #537
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #523

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I think age verification laws are good in principle - there's a lot of stuff on the internet that people should be protected from. But it's the manner of age verification that is the issue. The EU has zero knowledge proof age verification systems, e.g. through your bank, which are secure and don't involve sending a copy of your ID and / or face scan to a dodgy US based 3rd party.

I disagree. What if, hear me out, parents actually parent, instead of relegating the parenting to companies, and ruining the internet for the rest of us?

agree, also they should take into account that their children will be eventually an adult and will be living in such system. Goverments should only focus on educating parents (available tools, recommendations) and maybe provide some open source tooling for parents.

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Post by Mashimo »

snackbroken wrote: post #533
dreadnip wrote: post #511

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I quite like the EU approach. It's a decent spec. Most countries already have digital apps to verify identity, like Denmark's MitID ( https://www.mitid.dk/en-gb/get-started-with-mitid/ ). These could be expanded to fully EUDI compliant wallets and deliver encrypted proof-of-age without exposing any other identity. For example a gambling site could require MitID auth, but only request proof-of-age and nothing else. Yo…

If there's no information provided beyond proof-of-age, what's stopping my friend's 18 year old brother from lending his ID to every 14 year old at school? IRL that's negated by the liquor store clerk looking at the kid who is obviously underage and seeing that his face doesn't match the borrowed card he just nervously presented.

> what's stopping my friend's 18 year old brother from lending his ID to every 14 year old at school?

MitID is 2fa. You log in with username, then you have to open the app, enter password or scan biometric, then scan the QR code of the screen* and you are logged in.

He would need to be next to you every time you log in. I think that is too high friction to make it feasible on large scale.

* Assuming you open the website on the Desktop, and MitID on phone. If both on phone, skip this step.

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Post by roysting »

jwr wrote: post #517
XzAeRosho wrote: post #507

I know most of this affects only the US, but I'm wondering where this will go in the EU if the Age Verification Tech goes ahead in America. There's been lots of efforts to increase surveillance disguised as protection for kids in the EU and UK. The Swiss implementation of eID may be hint that governments may/will take the responsibility to implement and maintain the tech, but the multiple intrusions and lobbying by P…

The EU, unfortunately, has shown to be very susceptible to this kind of lobbying in the past. We regularly see legislation that is being rammed and rushed through in spite of vocal opposition. I would be very, very worried. (EU citizen)

The EU puts a nice shine on things, but there are systemic and fundamental characteristics of the EU that not only make it more susceptible to "lobbying" and ignoring the electorate; which are also far more difficult to change by that electorate than in the USA where we still have direct elections of individuals not party lists (in most cases) that cause total loyalty to the party, not the constituency.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Post by cwmoore »

SiempreViernes wrote: post #568
varispeed wrote: post #512

Why "lobbying" is not treated as corruption? This kind of corporate influence should be illegal.

Dude, do you not know who's president in the US right now? Getting paid is easily the biggest* reason he ran!

Are you sure it was to get paid, not to avoid prosecution? It could be both among other reasons.

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Post by pjc50 »

domh wrote: post #570
pjc50 wrote: post #535

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The UK is absolutely picking the most stupid option (delegate it to US companies doing face recognition)

I keep emailing my (Labour) MP about this, I suggest you do the same! I get the standard "protecting the children" response. I am not voting Labour again if this madness is still in place (or worse!) at the next GE.

MPs are pretty bad at dealing with anything that doesn't come from the party or the newspapers. I'm donating to the Open Rights Group to care about this on my behalf.

(my MP is SNP, so I benefit from not being in the two party trap)

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Post by SiempreViernes »

f1shy wrote: post #549
tashbarg wrote: post #536

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Regarding the Pinocchio thing: Local police said „that‘s probably insult“ and sent it to public prosecutors. Public prosecutors investigated and said „nope, free speech“. I really don’t see the problem.

If you can disturb enough people that think differently, independent of the final result, you can end up silencing them. Is the same that happens with bogus DCMA claims in Youtube channels, when they negative reviews of products. For a normal guy, having the police showing up, going to court, lawyer, etc, can be a significant burden. I DO see a problem.

Indeed, police misusing their authority is a problem, and they require constant oversight. But this is true completely independently from if you need to provide an age to order drugs online.
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