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Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Post by boesboes »

y-curious wrote: post #519
dreadnip wrote: post #511

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I quite like the EU approach. It's a decent spec. Most countries already have digital apps to verify identity, like Denmark's MitID ( https://www.mitid.dk/en-gb/get-started-with-mitid/ ). These could be expanded to fully EUDI compliant wallets and deliver encrypted proof-of-age without exposing any other identity. For example a gambling site could require MitID auth, but only request proof-of-age and nothing else. Yo…

I don’t mean to be as aggressive as this sounds but the frogs probably liked the increasingly warm water too until it started boiling. How many steps between MitID and a fork that is used to enforce extreme censorship?

Everything is a slippery slope if you tilt & twist it enough...

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Post by snowwrestler »

jamesnorden wrote: post #515
varispeed wrote: post #512

Why "lobbying" is not treated as corruption? This kind of corporate influence should be illegal.

Technically because citizens are also allowed to lobby, but in practice only corporations get to play, so it becomes "legal bribing".

The environmental movement and labor movement are two examples where citizens organize to go up against corporate interests and win pretty regularly and durably.

Most of those folks would not call it lobbying because of the negative associations of the word. “We have activists, our opponents have lobbyists.” But it works the same way.

It is specifically protected in the First Amendment: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

Emphasis mine.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Post by snackbroken »

dreadnip wrote: post #511
bradley13 wrote: post #505

The article makes one mistake: praising Europe for having a better approach. Governments here are pushing hard to force ID requirements. Sure, they start by pretending it's "for the children" and they "only want age verification". They also claim that e-IDs will be voluntary. Camel. Nose. Tent. These are the same governments that file criminal charges when you compare lying leader to Pinocchio (Germany). The UK recor…

I quite like the EU approach. It's a decent spec. Most countries already have digital apps to verify identity, like Denmark's MitID ( https://www.mitid.dk/en-gb/get-started-with-mitid/ ). These could be expanded to fully EUDI compliant wallets and deliver encrypted proof-of-age without exposing any other identity. For example a gambling site could require MitID auth, but only request proof-of-age and nothing else. Yo…

If there's no information provided beyond proof-of-age, what's stopping my friend's 18 year old brother from lending his ID to every 14 year old at school? IRL that's negated by the liquor store clerk looking at the kid who is obviously underage and seeing that his face doesn't match the borrowed card he just nervously presented.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Post by snackbroken »

boesboes wrote: post #531
y-curious wrote: post #519

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t mean to be as aggressive as this sounds but the frogs probably liked the increasingly warm water too until it started boiling. How many steps between MitID and a fork that is used to enforce extreme censorship?

Everything is a slippery slope if you tilt & twist it enough...

This particular slope has consistently had people pratfalling over and over again for hundreds of years.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Post by pjc50 »

XzAeRosho wrote: post #507

I know most of this affects only the US, but I'm wondering where this will go in the EU if the Age Verification Tech goes ahead in America. There's been lots of efforts to increase surveillance disguised as protection for kids in the EU and UK. The Swiss implementation of eID may be hint that governments may/will take the responsibility to implement and maintain the tech, but the multiple intrusions and lobbying by P…

The UK is absolutely picking the most stupid option (delegate it to US companies doing face recognition)

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Post by tashbarg »

bradley13 wrote: post #505

The article makes one mistake: praising Europe for having a better approach. Governments here are pushing hard to force ID requirements. Sure, they start by pretending it's "for the children" and they "only want age verification". They also claim that e-IDs will be voluntary. Camel. Nose. Tent. These are the same governments that file criminal charges when you compare lying leader to Pinocchio (Germany). The UK recor…

Regarding the Pinocchio thing: Local police said „that‘s probably insult“ and sent it to public prosecutors. Public prosecutors investigated and said „nope, free speech“.

I really don’t see the problem.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Post by djxfade »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #523
XzAeRosho wrote: post #507

I know most of this affects only the US, but I'm wondering where this will go in the EU if the Age Verification Tech goes ahead in America. There's been lots of efforts to increase surveillance disguised as protection for kids in the EU and UK. The Swiss implementation of eID may be hint that governments may/will take the responsibility to implement and maintain the tech, but the multiple intrusions and lobbying by P…

I think age verification laws are good in principle - there's a lot of stuff on the internet that people should be protected from. But it's the manner of age verification that is the issue. The EU has zero knowledge proof age verification systems, e.g. through your bank, which are secure and don't involve sending a copy of your ID and / or face scan to a dodgy US based 3rd party.

I disagree. What if, hear me out, parents actually parent, instead of relegating the parenting to companies, and ruining the internet for the rest of us?

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Post by hliyan »

Why can't we handle this the same way we handle knives, guns and chainsaws: require adults to secure the device before letting minors near them? All the devices need is the ability to create limited access profiles. A human adult performs age verification by only providing the minor with creditals to a limited profile. Trying to perform that verification so far away from the minor, after they have got to the last gate, seems like the worst way to do it.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Post by wildzzz »

badpenny wrote: post #518

It's an important story, and I'm glad it's getting exposure, but this "article" is some really blatant AI slop. Go and read the original Reddit thread by the human being who did the work instead of this lazy regurgitated shit.

The original reddit post was also written by AI

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Post by dreadnip »

y-curious wrote: post #519
dreadnip wrote: post #511

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I quite like the EU approach. It's a decent spec. Most countries already have digital apps to verify identity, like Denmark's MitID ( https://www.mitid.dk/en-gb/get-started-with-mitid/ ). These could be expanded to fully EUDI compliant wallets and deliver encrypted proof-of-age without exposing any other identity. For example a gambling site could require MitID auth, but only request proof-of-age and nothing else. Yo…

I don’t mean to be as aggressive as this sounds but the frogs probably liked the increasingly warm water too until it started boiling. How many steps between MitID and a fork that is used to enforce extreme censorship?

MitID is run by the government. How would anyone fork it? Any service implementing MitID auth can verify through signatures that they're connecting to the official service.

I don't want my kids to have access to gambling websites like Stake, but I also want to keep my digital identity anonymous. The eIDAS is a solution that achieves both of these goals.

If you can choose between the discord shitshow with a face scan, or a digital encrypted proof-of-age in a 2FA app you already use, issues and verified only by the government of your country (who have all your personal details anyway), what would you choose?

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