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Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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That dude gives off such slimy vibes. Not like he’s evil. More like he’s unqualified to be in the position he’s found himself in. His presentations on talk shows gives me the impression he knows just enough about the topic of digital effects on society to throw together a book. The he lets people raise him up to the microphone and speaks for the sake of speaking. Hardly an expert, not an operator. Compare to people w…

If you were familiar with his background you wouldn't be writing this comment, which makes what you wrote a bit awkwardly ironic. Short of it: 30-ish year career as a psychology professor and researcher focused on morality and emotions. If you follow the track of his popular science books, The Anxious Generation (on smartphone use in teens) is very much a sequel to The Coddling of the American Mind, which itself is s…

I am familiar with his other books. And it’s clear he has an established career. I just don’t think he should try to present such simplified narratives. “Coddling of the American Mind” is what first put him on my radar and set off alarm bells.

At I said this might just be a field where normal expectations of expertise can’t be met. But that doesn’t mean you can rescale and match the confidence of other fields.

He’s putting himself in a position similar to politicians running for office.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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> But banning OpenAI/Anthropic/Gemini would fix a lot of this. I doubt that anyone authoring these laws even thinks about the two concepts on the same day. I think these issues are totally separate.

> I think these issues are totally separate.

You don't think the timing is suspicious?

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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I don't really want the free internet to be relegated to onion sites and a hypothetical mesh internet. As things stand, every service is going to either tightly control content or adopt age verification because the alternative is being taken down by governments.

Too bad, so sad. That's the entire reason onion exists. The public web is going to get increasing enshittified and you can either use Tor or get used to staying on Facebook with Grandma sharing cakes alongside 60 ads.

Hear hear. Clearnet is becoming television, sadly.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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I may be missing something obvious but, what happens if people just lie about their age en masse?

Then they will up the ante to require age verification at the hardware level, using this bill as precedent, and all the people cheerleading this bill will say “what’s the big deal? You show your ID all the time! You can’t drive without ID!”

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Very common pattern in compliance, if you want to export to a country, (regardless of monetization method), manufacturers and distributors comply with local requirements like for example getting approved for local electrical parameters and implementing specific plugs for local sockets.

If you came to my website and downloaded something, I did not export it. Maybe you imported it, that’s on you.

I am not a lawyer. Still, my two cents are:

You didn't geobock the download or prompt for then user's address first in your scenario. So it may constitute export because it would be reasonable to assume that you clearly intended to make it available worldwide.

Phil Zimmerman was investigated for illegaly exporting munitions because he made PGP available via FTP. The case was settled, so I don't know whether this argument would ultimately have been successful.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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It reaches far out, not just the West. China remains relatively immune. S. Korea and Japan immune to some degree. Russia, unfortunately, is not immune at all.

The things that our politicians want to make illegal for children were already illegal for everyone in China. That probably has something to do with why China's economically outperforming us so much.

Everything appear to be illegal in China, but also everything illegal appear to come from there. Their chemotherapy dose table is calculated for diluted compounds. Coupling their law text to regular universal enforcement is just a suicide.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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If you came to my website and downloaded something, I did not export it. Maybe you imported it, that’s on you.

I am not a lawyer. Still, my two cents are: You didn't geobock the download or prompt for then user's address first in your scenario. So it may constitute export because it would be reasonable to assume that you clearly intended to make it available worldwide. Phil Zimmerman was investigated for illegaly exporting munitions because he made PGP available via FTP. The case was settled, so I don't know whether this argu…

This is how the UK interprets things, but they seem to be alone on this in the present day.

Wyoming just passed a bill explicitly refuting this interpretation, other states are working on their own bills, and there is even a federal bill in the early stages.

The only exception that the US has ever acknowledged to this is ITAR, which is what the PGP case was built around, but it failed as you mentioned. But non age verified OSes are obviously not munitions.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Why are Linux operating system providers taking it upon themselves to comply with the California law especially if they are not selling anything. Since it is just a downloadable piece of software then it is up to California state to set up a firewall to protect themselves from such harmful software. Let's say I am a generic linux developer who develops variants of Debian Linux while sitting in my basement in any part…

I wonder whether the blast radius of the law might interfere with OSs running on cloud machines. That might explain why California based companies in the cloud business might want to ensure that the bits they resell are compliant.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Something remarkable and unsettling is how the age verification debate has popped up almost simultaneously in the US, UK, and EU. With the same logical fallacies. Pretty telling about how transnational lobbies and their interests work. Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications.

This reddit thread¹ details thoroughly the connection to Meta (Facebook) and to a lesser extent Discord as being behind the push in the US.

1. https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1rshc1f/i_traced_2_b...

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Something remarkable and unsettling is how the age verification debate has popped up almost simultaneously in the US, UK, and EU. With the same logical fallacies. Pretty telling about how transnational lobbies and their interests work. Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications.

Seen today on fedi— vx-underground • @vxunderground “Yeah, so basically the current prevailing sch[*]zo internet theory is that Al nerds have destroyed the internet and created infinite spam. The advertisement goons are now incapable of determining who is a bot and who is an actual human. The advertisement goons no longer want to pay as much to social media networks. Social media networks, in full blown panic of losi…

That _sounds_ somewhat plausible but it means those social media management is completely anemic to everything if true. We just all know that getting verified is how AI spammers get to do spamming. Or post unwanted yet kosher contents. Everything unwanted can be made legal though not everything desired can be made legal.

Zuck wanting to build a centerpiece for his lair made out of resin fused copies of driver's licenses would sound more plausible.

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