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Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by ekjhgkejhgk »

coldtea wrote: post #146
ekjhgkejhgk wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Those school ipads could also have YouTube locked or restricted to a whitelist of channels. There's so much wrong here. A) there's ways around that stuff that any child can figure out. B) schools aren't in fact obligated to enable those, and some don't. C) who decides on what channels are allowed? The school does. But teachers are basically people off the street that did some basic training and (from my experience)…

> A) there's ways around that stuff that any child can figure out. No, there are not for hardware locked devices with the proper controls (what apps, websites, etc to allow). > B) schools aren't in fact obligated to enable those, and some don't. The technical problem is solved, if they don't want to implement the solution that's on them. > C) who decides on what channels are allowed? The school does. But teachers are…

> > B) schools aren't in fact obligated to enable those, and some don't.

> The technical problem is solved, if they don't want to implement the solution that's on them.

Just to be clear - do you not understand that a parent might be parenting, but some times their children is in care of a school? Your focus on "a technical solution exists" is missing the real issue here, and it's not a technical one.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by terribleperson »

themafia wrote: post #136
terribleperson wrote: post #16

I honestly think the pushback against the California law is a mistake. We are being presented with an increasing number of services demanding identity verification, in the form of ID verification and/or video verification. California is offering an alternative to that, an alternative that only requires you provide your age, without verifying it. If the California law flops, the result isn't going to be no age verific…

No. I do not want an "API" in my OS to reveal information about me. I do not want this to operate without my consent. I do not want to be limited from accessing certain sites because I refuse to implement this. No age verification at the OS level. If Meta needs to verify ages for their _profitable_ business, that's entirely _their_ problem. Get your hands off my equipment.

It's not OS age verification. You put in an age. It does not check whether it's real. It does not ask for an ID. That will get provided to app stores and probably browsers. It should be possible to spoof, too.

The primary use case of this, in my mind, is so that a parent can give their kid a PC and set an age on the user account, and that will result in them being unable to access a variety of content. Same thing for phones.

You are already being limited from accessing certain sites, because those sites are going to ask you to provide an ID. This is an alternative. It frees sites from having to request an ID to verify ages, because the age signal from the OS is legally sufficient. If I'm remembering what I read, it actually bars them from trying to determine your age in other ways.

edit: also, the signal passed from OS to software isn't even your age, it's one of four age groups. three under-age groups, and one adult group. It's not even meaningfully de-anonymizing!

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by 3842056935870 »

charcircuit wrote: post #113
akersten wrote: post #5

Now this is what open source development should look like. I cannot believe a few days ago I was thumbing through an email thread on freedesktop.org about how they could implement the mandatory government API in dbus. Can they not read their own domain name?

Associating open source with projects that brazenly violate the law is not what open source should look like.

It is when those laws were passed by totalitarian idiots.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by teaearlgraycold »

tim333 wrote: post #140
nextos wrote: post #14

Something remarkable and unsettling is how the age verification debate has popped up almost simultaneously in the US, UK, and EU. With the same logical fallacies. Pretty telling about how transnational lobbies and their interests work. Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications.

They all copy each other. Also some of it was set off by the book, Jonathan Haidt's The Anxious Generation.

That dude gives off such slimy vibes. Not like he’s evil. More like he’s unqualified to be in the position he’s found himself in. His presentations on talk shows gives me the impression he knows just enough about the topic of digital effects on society to throw together a book. The he lets people raise him up to the microphone and speaks for the sake of speaking. Hardly an expert, not an operator.

Compare to people who have the means to build, modify, and test the systems they talk about. Maybe no one can be this kind of an expert in the field of sociology. But if that’s the case do not present yourself as confident. Answer most questions with “I don’t know”. Refuse praise. Exude humility.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by kybernetikos »

I don't want to give the impression that I don't find the whole direction of travel concerning, because I do, but as I understand it, the requirement is that the system administrator assigns ages to the users on their system. That seems pretty reasonable to me, and maybe even like a good idea in some scenarios. As far as I know, we aren't talking about software that fights against the interests of the system owner - that's the admin. In fact, I think this might be a feature I would even want.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by jmcgough »

helterskelter wrote: post #105

Meta is why all these laws are happening. Please reach out to media outlets with this investigation so it can get more coverage. People need to be talking about this. https://tboteproject.com/

I'm fairly skeptical of the findings, as the majority of the research and writing was done by Claude Opus. I'd be more likely to believe groups like AIPAC are behind this - they have poured a lot of money into online censorship legislation.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by [deleted] »

coldtea wrote: post #129
nextos wrote: post #14

Something remarkable and unsettling is how the age verification debate has popped up almost simultaneously in the US, UK, and EU. With the same logical fallacies. Pretty telling about how transnational lobbies and their interests work. Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications.

It's part of a whole bundle of tightening censorship and increasing control in a pivot towards techno-feudalism, and militarization of society...

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