A £3000 laptop doesn't come with a fucking charger. It's £99 extra for the one that came with the m4's. thanks a lot Apple, the enshitification is real!
Only in the EU/UK
is there any particular reason why just here?
MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max
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#902Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've upgraded to Tahoe at 26.2, zero complaints from my side. Haven't had any runaway memory leaks or similar that were reported.
Closing Tabs in Safari till takes more than a second though. And if you hold Cmd-W to close all of them it just completely locks up and crashes. Still not fixed since the release of Safari 26. Literally unusable
I have this issue as well on multiple Tahoe Macs. Opening a new Safari window is 500ms to 1000ms. Adding a tab is faster most of the times. But Safari frequently loses tabs turning them into a blank page without a URL. Searching in the passwords app talkes multiple seconds. This is on multiple macs with different icloud accounts even.
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> Apple: If you document the hardware enough for the Asahi team to deliver a polished Linux experiene, I'll buy one this year! They probably can't do that because of potential patent issues that might surface. Lawyers say no.
That’s highly unlikely, releasing the product counts as a public disclosure which would start the clock on filing.
You are thinking of the other direction.
I'm talking about competitors like e.g. Intel/AMD/nVidia who could browse the documentation and find potential infringements.
In fact what Apple's legal department forgot is that the Asahi team could enable just that.
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#904So below 128gb is the sweet spot for local LLMs...
TBH, they are all rather useless at those sizes.
I used to run a lot of local models on my mbp - mainly stt, tts, embeddings and diffusion models - and small LLMs used for utility purposes - but stopped. It saves time in the long run to run those models on target architecture from the get go - which in most cases is nvidia/cuda - rather than test and tweak on metal, and then switch to cuda for prod - and experience weird and subtle differences and regressions. I don't think it makes much sense to develop anything (other than hobby projects for home use) on mlx atm.
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#905Earlier quoted context omitted.
lmao you're coming in pretty hot, stephen. it is actually possible that from time to time you may encounter comments written on the internet that do not perfectly reference every aspect of your lived experience
It's also possible to make a comment on the internet that clearly identifies the context of what you're saying, rather than implying something is a universal truth.
the comment is 30 words long and refers to an eye condition that 1/3 of all people on earth have. will two other people ever look at your laptop lol
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#906I chased down what the "4x faster at AI tasks" was measuring: > Testing conducted by Apple in January 2026 using preproduction 13-inch and 15-inch MacBook Air systems with Apple M5, 10-core CPU, 10-core GPU, 32GB of unified memory, and 4TB SSD, and production 13-inch and 15-inch MacBook Air systems with Apple M4, 10-core CPU, 10-core GPU, 32GB of unified memory, and 2TB SSD. Time to first token measured with an 8K-to…
>Time to first token measured with an 8K-token prompt using a 14-billion parameter model with 4-bit quantization Oh dear 14B and 4-bit quant? There are going to be a lot of embarrassed programmers who need to explain to their engineering managers why their Macbook can't reasonably run LLMs like they said it could. (This already happened at my fortune 20 company lol)
This wasn’t a statement about capability. It’s just a detail about what model they used to compare the speed of two chips for this purpose. You want a bigger model, run a bigger model.
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> I think this could go equally for Windows as well Absolutely. Why are all the buttons centred on the task bar for Windows 11? Violation of so many design rules. Literally the worst part of MacOS they took there which contradicted other reasons for the design. Throwing the mouse to the corner for a start button no longer works. I could go on. > I'm fairly new to Linux so I can't really form an opinion there. Gnome i…
> GNOME is great For a different opinion, please see https://woltman.com/gnome-bad/ GNOME is extremely opinionated.
> Apple, the masters of UI, have wisely not forced the iPhone interface into MacOS.
oh no
(tbh surprisingly few references to Apple otherwise)
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What kind of tasks are you using it for? I haven't really found any uses for small models.
Nothing like coding, just like relatively basic stuff. Idk its hard to explain but I use AI so frequently for work that I have a sense for what it is capable of.
Which size Gemma are you using?
I should clarify that by small I mean in the 3-8B range. I haven't tested the 14-30B ones, my experience is only about the smaller ones.
In my experience, small models are not good for coding (except very basic tasks), they're not good for general knowledge. So the only purpose I could see for them would be, when they're given the information, i.e. summarization or RAG.
But in my summarization experiments, they consistently misunderstood the information given to them. They constantly made basic errors and failed to understand the text.
So having eliminated programming, general knowledge, summarization and (by extension, RAG, because if you can't understand the information, then you can't do RAG either, by definition) -- I have eliminated all the use cases that I had in mind!
That would leave very basic tasks like classification or keywords, but I think there they would be in the awkward middle ground of being disappointing relative to big LLMs for many tasks, and cumbersome relative to small specialized models which can run fast and cheap and be fine tuned.
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#909I am much more interested seeing the M5 Pro and M5 Max in the Mac Mini & Mac Studio.
The temptation of running a local LLM on my gaming PC's GPU finally gave me the incentive I needed to set up Tailscale & Mosh, and there's no going back. My 15" M2 Macbook air is my ideal travel form-factor, and I'd much rather "upgrade" by adding a power-sipping homelab box I can remote into from anywhere.
Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max
#910I am much more interested seeing the M5 Pro and M5 Max in the Mac Mini & Mac Studio. The temptation of running a local LLM on my gaming PC's GPU finally gave me the incentive I needed to set up Tailscale & Mosh, and there's no going back. My 15" M2 Macbook air is my ideal travel form-factor, and I'd much rather "upgrade" by adding a power-sipping homelab box I can remote into from anywhere.
I'm interested in the Ultra with 256GB/512GB ram :)))