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Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by stingraycharles »

philistine wrote: post #186
jsheard wrote: post #31

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> It’s $400 to go from 16GB to 32GB. No change from the previous models then, 16GB->32GB was already $400. They're cutting into their previously enormous margins to keep the prices stable, rather than hiking the prices to maintain their margins.

They bought the fab time for that RAM 2-3 years ago. Apple is renowned for their foresight and preparation. We'll eventually see price increases from Apple's RAM upgrade, but we're not there yet.

I thought they bought RAM externally, before soldering it on their chips?

Regardless, point still stands, they probably ordered this several years ago.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by bytesandbits »

dirk94018 wrote: post #37

On M4 Max 128GB we're seeing ~100 tok/s generation on a 30B parameter model in our from scratch inference engine. Very curious what the "4x faster LLM prompt processing" translates to in practice. Smallish, local 30B-70B inference is genuinely usable territory for real dev workflows, not just demos. Will require staying plugged in though.

4x faster PREFILL not decode. Decode is bandwidth-bounded. Prefill is flops-constrained.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by pbmonster »

kwanbix wrote: post #480
pbmonster wrote: post #154

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Why would you want to do that? Do you like the hardware that much, and also that much more than just an M2 (soon M3) running Asahi? Linux in a VM would work with the usual caveats. Periphery like the built-in webcam most likely won't work. Getting codecs and DRM to run will be pain and you'll be back to use macOS for that quickly (but that's just standard pain of ARM Linux).

Because I don't like MacOS and my understanding is that Asahi has issues with: * USB-C Displays * Thunderbolt / USB4 * Touch ID Touch ID is the least of the problems, but the other two are more serious.

> my understanding is that Asahi has issues with: * USB-C Displays * Thunderbolt / USB4 * Touch ID

Valid. USB-C displays are on the horizon, the rest will take significant time (and might never materialize, it's difficult to reverse engineer).

> Because I don't like MacOS

Then spending thousands on modern MacBook will be a subpar experience, no matter how you do it. But yes, Linux will run OK inside a VM on a MacBook.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by mkurz »

simonvc wrote: post #730
renewiltord wrote: post #419

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I have an M1 Max with 64 GB and an M4 Max with 128 GB and the latter feels noticeably snappier than the former. The latest MacOS release fucked up the M1’s performance. Wish I could downgrade easily. I want off that ride.

im running asahi fedora with niri on my M1 Air and apart from display port over usbc not working (it's coming) it's perfect. not too annoying to setup if the first thing you install is claude-cli

> display port over usbc not working (it's coming) it's perfect.

I am on a Macbook Pro M1 Pro running Asahi and a 28 inch external display via USB-C / dp alt mode as of typing this comment. They have a `fairydust` branch in their kernel repo which is meant for devs to test and hack on dp alt mode support, but it just works for me without problems.

See https://www.reddit.com/r/AsahiLinux/comments/1pzht74/dpaltmo...

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by happymellon »

abustamam wrote: post #539
samat wrote: post #516

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I downgraded today for the first time in my life. Sequoia is crazy fast in my MacBook Air m2 16gb Not upgrading any of my Macs ever again. I was a fanboy looking for every new update like a present, for 13 years, not anymore. It took one Tahoe burn all that trust. Never upgrading major OS versions on hardware from Apple again.

I think this could go equally for Windows as well, and many other software (not just OS). I purpose refrained from Tahoe because I didn't like the design but I wanted to know what the consensus was on it before upgrading. Apparently it's bad! Win 11 is bad compared to Win 10 as well. I'm fairly new to Linux so I can't really form an opinion there.

> I think this could go equally for Windows as well

Absolutely. Why are all the buttons centred on the task bar for Windows 11? Violation of so many design rules. Literally the worst part of MacOS they took there which contradicted other reasons for the design. Throwing the mouse to the corner for a start button no longer works. I could go on.

> I'm fairly new to Linux so I can't really form an opinion there.

Gnome is great if you want something that gets out of your way. Some folks lament that its not as UI feature rich as KDE, but for me thats a bonus. The minimal UI combined with concentrating on UI features such as better mixed monitor scaling, etc. Love it.

KDE is extremely flexible, and featureful. You don't like the Windows default look and feel, make it a dock. Make it similar to Windows 8. Go wild. Not my thing these days but I can completely understand the draw to not be beholden to other peoples design choices if they don't fit your style.

I haven't used XFCE for a long time, as it didn't keep up with my high resolution monitors. But it was fast and flexible, and I hear that they are addressing this stuff now.

i3 was great. I drifted away during the great Wayland migration when i had to upgrade my laptop, found a bunch of neat updates to Gnome for my hardware, and just haven't found the time to return.

But the main point is that you are not forced into any one person/corporate point of view.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by alexdbird »

itake wrote: post #740
chairmanwow1 wrote: post #624

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Yeah my M1 is still insanely snappy. Would be nice to have some extra legroom for things like compilation, but I'm far from feeling this device isn't sufficient for me.

My work laptop is m4 and my personal is m1. I barely notice the difference.

My work laptop is M3 and it needs to be because the security crapware makes some things literally 10x slower. Meanwhile my personal M1 is more than adequate for normal work.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by solarkraft »

midtake wrote: post #703
satoqz wrote: post #96

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This. I have been a big (and loud) fan of M-series hardware from the beginning, but if Apple is going to keep making their software worse, I will find myself lingering on older generations that run Asahi Linux or going back to a traditional x86_64 laptop instead of buying into new generations.

I don't trust Asahi after the whole Asahi Lina thing. Lina being an alt in denial of her other identity is a big red flag. If Hector was honest about it I would feel differently. The deception behind the Lina identity is very weird to me.

You making a big deal out of it is very weird to me.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by duskdozer »

dawnerd wrote: post #243
manofmanysmiles wrote: post #114

I love the following section of their copy: > Even More Value for Upgraders > The new 14- and 16-inch MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max mark a major leap for pro users. There’s never been a better time for customers to upgrade from a previous generation of MacBook Pro with Apple silicon or an Intel-based Mac. I read as "Whoops we made the M1 Macbook Pro too good, please upgrade!" I think I will get another 2-5 years…

My 32gb m1 max was probably the best purchase I've made. Still plenty of headroom in performance left in this beast. Wonder what reason they'll use to end software support in the future. Bet it'll be some security hardware they make up for the sake of forcing upgrades.

Do they need a reason? I see plenty that amounts to nothing more than "that's old"

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by duskdozer »

jtokoph wrote: post #815
kobalsky wrote: post #289

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my tinfoil hat theory is that they make small features depend on new hardware. for example, let's say the new os depends on m5's exclusive thumbnail generator accelerator, and let's say it improves speed by a 20%. now, your M1 notebook than on previous OSes uses standard gpu acceleration for thumbnails will not have this specialized hardware acceleration, it will have software fallback that will be 90% slower. you wo…

This makes Asahi Linux so valuable to me. I'll just move to linux on my M2 Max when MacOS drops support.

Oh, thanks for pointing this out. This could make me pick up a used mac one day.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by secult »

So to not get confused, when you ask for a new laptop in your corporate and you say 14 inch Pro Max, don't get lured to get Pro Max Premium, or even Pro Max Plus, just say you want Pro M5 Max, because otherwise you are getting Dell. And make sure to not say "Just get me a Pro, bro", because you might be getting HP Pro desktop!
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