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Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by jtbaker »

jbellis wrote: post #344
tux3 wrote: post #322

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A bit strange to use time to first token instead of throughput. Latency to the first token is not like a web page where first paint already has useful things to show. The first token is "The ", and you'll be very happy it's there in 50ms instead of 200ms... but then what you really want to know is how quickly you'll get the rest of the sentence (throughput)

As far as benchmarketing goes they clearly went with prefill because it's much easier for apple to improve prefill numbers (flops-dominated) than decode (bandwidth-dominated, at least for local inference); M5 unified memory bandwidth is only about 10% better than the M4.

Ok, but prefill/prompt processing was definitely the weak point before. They were already solid in raw tokens/sec after TTFT

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by virgildotcodes »

xp84 wrote: post #698
virgildotcodes wrote: post #221

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You may get your wish with all the rumors of a touch screen on the M6 MBPs.

A touch screen could be useful! I love having one on my HP. It’s just another option that doesn’t hurt you if/when you aren’t using it. Unlike the Touch Bar that deleted 13 keys and replaced them with garbage.

The problem is that I'm afraid it will hurt everyone that isn't using it, as it will push MacOS further in the direction of iOS/iPadOS and optimizing for touch, which is not necessarily the best UI for the non-touch use case.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by mr_o47 »

pottertheotter wrote: post #726
mr_o47 wrote: post #714

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Would it be worth upgrading from my M4 Pro 48GB to M5 Pro 64GB

I’m sorry you have to make do with that setup. I’d upgrade to an M5 Pro 64GB right away. In fact, your old one has no value. I can safely dispose of it for you.

Ahh I see, I just bought like few weeks ago but why would you say that

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by rifty »

whiterock wrote: post #618
fl0ki wrote: post #319

For those who don't already know, you can get a lot of PC gaming performance out of these machines using Sikarugir. You can install all of Steam via winetricks and go from there, or launch DRM-free games directly. https://github.com/Sikarugir-App/Sikarugir

oh, you mean there is a free alternative to crossover? :O

There has been for a long time. It used to be called Wineskin — Sikarugir is the successor to that project. There's also Porting Kit which helps setting up and installing the wrappers.

Underneath it all is Wine which is the open source compatibility layer project which Crossover contributes to.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by EagnaIonat »

iknowstuff wrote: post #633
jillesvangurp wrote: post #193

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Same here. I know some people are unhappy with some of the UX tweaks but honestly I don't notice much of it. The whole liquid glass thing is a bit gimmicky. Other than that, I don't see much difference. The rounded corners on windows are a bit silly. But I don't spend a lot of time fiddling with windows. Most of my windows are maximized (not full screen). I'm sure there are other issues people dislike that I just hav…

Is your Spotlight usable? Mine literally will not find an app Searching for Chat yields "Ask ChatGPT", "ChatGPT Atlas", "ChatGPT Atlas" the website, and chatgpt.com. Does not yield the actual ChatGPT.app which I have currently open lol.

Spotlight is so bad that they removed Launchpad to force people to use it.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by neya »

blackqueeriroh wrote: post #696
lern_too_spel wrote: post #305

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No other company makes you tell them every application you install on your device. No other company makes you tell them every location you read from your GPS sensor.

Please, source this ridiculous claim

First page, first result on Google:

https://andreafortuna.org/2025/11/30/hidden-metadata-reveals...

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by fulafel »

oofbey wrote: post #724
fulafel wrote: post #473

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So it's not measuring output tokens/s, just how long it takes to start generating tokens. Seems we'll have to wait for independent benchmarks to get useful numbers.

Token/s is entirely determined by memory bandwidth. TTFT is compute bound.

This is broadly correct for currently favoured software, but in computer science optimization problems you can usually trade off compute for memory and vice versa.

For example just now from the front page: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47242637 "Speculative Speculative Decoding"

Or this: https://openreview.net/forum?id=960Ny6IjEr "Low-Rank Compression of Language Models Via Differentiable Rank Selection"

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by shpx »

sam- wrote: post #685

I vibed out a comparison of MacBook Pros over the years. 2026 M5 Pro Geekbench scores are an estimate at this point because the data doesn't exist yet. https://sambehrens.github.io/macbook-pro-value/

You need to account for inflation.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by seec »

jimbokun wrote: post #721
hamdingers wrote: post #598

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Now that every CEO has their own reality distortion field I wonder if it's even worth calling out any more.

No current CEO has a RDF comparable to Jobs. Musk is probably closest, but he’s become so involved in partisan politics it makes his field far less effective at distorting reality.

Musk is leading the build of the biggest objects we have ever sent to space. It does give him some sort of aura that is hard to dismantle, let's be honest.

He can do and say a lot of shit because he will still be viewed as real-life Iron Man, because in some ways he kind of is.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Post by mkl »

wincy wrote: post #310
nozzlegear wrote: post #294

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So Firefox was using 5gb? There's your problem.

It’s a losing battle me trying to tell my wife to close her Firefox tabs, haha, but yes, Firefox does use a lot of ram when you have 500 tabs. Maybe I’ll get her a 64GB MacBook Pro for the premium web browsing experience she so desires!

Auto Tab Discard: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/auto-tab-disc...

I have a Firefox window with 3500 tabs right now.

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