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Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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So it's not measuring output tokens/s, just how long it takes to start generating tokens. Seems we'll have to wait for independent benchmarks to get useful numbers.

For many workflows involving real time human interaction, such as voice assistant, this is the most important metric. Very few tasks are as sensitive to quality, once a certain response quality threshold has been achieved, as is the software planning and writing tasks that most HN readers are likely familiar.

The way that voice assistants work even in the age of LLMs are:

Voice —> Speech to Text -> LLM to determine intent -> JSON -> API call -> response -> LLM -> text to speech.

TTFT is irrelevant, you have to process everything through the pipeline before you can generate a response. A fast model is more important than a good model

Source: I do this kind of stuff for call centers. Yes I know modern LLMs don’t go through the voice -> text -> LLM -> text -> voice anymore. But that only works when you don’t have to call external sources

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Nano-texture is worth the upgrade if you are on a macbookpro whatever M and dont have it. For those of us with astigmatism it's really night and day experience.

> Nano-texture is worth the upgrade if you are on a macbookpro whatever M and dont have it.

Oh really, it's universally better?

> For those of us with astigmatism it's really night and day experience.

Oh. So it's better for someone else with a specific eye condition, who is practically guaranteed to never use a MacBook that I buy?

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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I've upgraded to Tahoe at 26.2, zero complaints from my side. Haven't had any runaway memory leaks or similar that were reported.

Same here. I know some people are unhappy with some of the UX tweaks but honestly I don't notice much of it. The whole liquid glass thing is a bit gimmicky. Other than that, I don't see much difference. The rounded corners on windows are a bit silly. But I don't spend a lot of time fiddling with windows. Most of my windows are maximized (not full screen). I'm sure there are other issues people dislike that I just hav…

Is your Spotlight usable? Mine literally will not find an app

Searching for Chat yields "Ask ChatGPT", "ChatGPT Atlas", "ChatGPT Atlas" the website, and chatgpt.com. Does not yield the actual ChatGPT.app which I have currently open lol.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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I was considering it but got cold feet when I've been told that you could damage it when cleaning it. When I open/close my laptop I leave a ton of finger prints. I'm not too good with delicate hardware stuff.

Why are you touching the screen when you open/close your laptop??? Do you close your car doors with the window?

Car door windows often have a significant frame of several cm and it's still quite easy to have your fingertips touch the glass while closing it.

On a laptop I would imagine it's actually more likely that fingertips would touch the screen while opening it.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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yes pretty much this. make useless features use up resources and make basic scrolling slow. the Liquid Glass for example probably is not so great when it comes to resources. Probably works better with latest metal and hardware blocks on the GPU in M5 as opposed to using GPU cores and unified memory on 8gb M1 making latest macOS work not so great. I have the M1 8gb air and it is really slow on Tahoe. It was snappy jus…

I downgraded today for the first time in my life. Sequoia is crazy fast in my MacBook Air m2 16gb Not upgrading any of my Macs ever again. I was a fanboy looking for every new update like a present, for 13 years, not anymore. It took one Tahoe burn all that trust. Never upgrading major OS versions on hardware from Apple again.

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Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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My M3 Max can burn through battery much faster than my M1 Max ever could. And some apps are really inefficient. New Codex app drains my battery. If you are using Codex I recommend minimizing it, since it’s the UI that uses most power.

A couple weeks ago I was working remote and didn't bring a power adapter, and I realized a couple hours in that my battery was getting kind of low. I clicked on the battery icon and got a list of what was using a lot of power: 1 was an hour long video chat using Google Meet, the other was Claude desktop (which I hadn't used at all that morning). What in the world is an idle Claude Desktop doing that uses so much powe…

They run a resource heavy VM for the claude cowork feature.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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The hardware looks amazing! Too bad they will ship with Tahoe installed. I’m not upgrading until I see in which direction the next Mac OS release goes

What's wrong with Tahoe? I've been using it for quite a while and I haven't noticed anything odd?

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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I've upgraded to Tahoe at 26.2, zero complaints from my side. Haven't had any runaway memory leaks or similar that were reported.

Closing Tabs in Safari till takes more than a second though. And if you hold Cmd-W to close all of them it just completely locks up and crashes. Still not fixed since the release of Safari 26. Literally unusable

That's objectively false. I use safari all day everyday and have never experience any of that stuff.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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The next macOS will be touch screen centric with elements getting bigger when you're close to touching them, rumors say. That being said, I run Tahoe and it works perfectly fine to me, I am not sure what issues people have with it. Sure, some corner radii aren't exactly the same but I honestly couldn't give less of a shit as long as it runs the programs I need.

Safari routinely using 20+ Gb of memory with a handful of tabs open. Safari tabs refusing to close. Unresponsive System Settings window. Random application freezes and crashes, Apple Music not playing music. This is on a 32Gb M1 Max. My M1 Air on Sequoia doesn't experience any of these issues, even if it has half the unified memory.

Never seen any of this even once.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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>Time to first token measured with an 8K-token prompt using a 14-billion parameter model with 4-bit quantization Oh dear 14B and 4-bit quant? There are going to be a lot of embarrassed programmers who need to explain to their engineering managers why their Macbook can't reasonably run LLMs like they said it could. (This already happened at my fortune 20 company lol)

I wonder if Apple has foresight into locally running LLMs becoming sufficiently useful.

They do! "You're holding it wrong*
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