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Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Post by ggus »

seba_dos1 wrote: post #46
zaggynl wrote: post #4

What does full-stack mean here? Phone is fully produced in Europe? Software and online storage fully provided by European company? edit: I want this phone, I have reserved a slot in the coming batch. Just posing as an average Joe here, someone who does not host their own storage, calendar, contacts, phone tracking, remote wipe, the "free" features Google and Apple are known for on their phones.

Apparently "full-stack alternative" means "layered on top of Android" these days, as Jolla does with libhybris.

From what I understand it's the opposite, an android compatibility thing layered on top of a linux base.

Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Post by pjmlp »

dddw wrote: post #44
pjmlp wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As ex-Nokia, I can tell quite a few stories about the rampdown in Germany, of factories and R&D sites, merge with Siemens and what not. For those that care, search the news for strikes or layoffs, around the time iOS/Android were taking off.

Another good reason to dislike M$

I dislike the board that brought Elop in, and promised him a bonus if he managed to sell Nokia Mobiles business unit, and they were also the ones that decided to off-shore factories and R&D into Eastern Europe and India.

Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Post by seba_dos1 »

ggus wrote: post #61
seba_dos1 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently "full-stack alternative" means "layered on top of Android" these days, as Jolla does with libhybris.

From what I understand it's the opposite, an android compatibility thing layered on top of a linux base.

It's both; the one I mentioned is for system drivers, the one you're talking about is for running applications (which you can also do on a regular non-Halium GNU/Linux using e.g. Waydroid).

Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Post by Markoff »

actionfromafar wrote: post #9
Markoff wrote: post #5

huge notch and huge bottom bezel with mediocre Mediatek Dimensity 7100, all this for 650EUR with specs worse than 200EUR phones, that's like 450EUR for software, a bit high surcharge...

Can you really get 200EUR phones with that good cameras?

what good cameras? all I see is "Sony" without mentioning chip, even cheap phones like Poco X7 Pro or similar have nowadays comparable cameras as what they claim

Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Post by actionfromafar »

joe_mamba wrote: post #50
dddw wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another good reason to dislike M$

What does MS have to do with this? The Nokia factory shuffling and strikes GP was mentioning happened before MS took over. And people love to blame MS but Nokia was a sinking ship already by that point. MS was just a new captain added to steer the Titanic but the same fate was inevitable, as its home grown MeeGo/Maemo platform arrived too late and to too little adoption to stand a chance against the already establish…

Sure, but still, the driver was very intoxicated and ran over the guy, then put the car in reverse and ran over the guy again.

Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Post by Markoff »

mrweasel wrote: post #42
Markoff wrote: post #5

huge notch and huge bottom bezel with mediocre Mediatek Dimensity 7100, all this for 650EUR with specs worse than 200EUR phones, that's like 450EUR for software, a bit high surcharge...

The notch is a bit silly, given that you have the bezel at the bottom, but I guess it could be ergonomics. I believe the phone is designed around feedback for customers/potential customers. Which tells me that other people have very different phone usage from my own. I would have asked for a much smaller phone and a €200 price tag. The processor and even a shitty camera doesn't really bother me. I just want a cheap p…

> I just want a cheap phone that can run like five apps (sadly one is the type that won't work, i.e. payments), and not run Android or iOS.

https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io

https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices#Community

you can certainly buy some of the supported smaller devices (e.g. Pixel 3a) and change battery for new

sadly basically nothing newer than 2020

Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Post by pbmonster »

sgerenser wrote: post #58
crote wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything hinges on app support. Smartphone apps have unfortunately become a hard requirement for basic day-to-day activities. Most companies offer them only for iOS and Android. If your smartphone can't run the vast majority of apps, it is basically dead on arrival. Nobody is going to buy it when they need to carry another phone anyways. The only way around this is either emulation (which Google is trying very hard…

They don’t need to specifically support “niche platforms,” which will never happen anyway. They just need to support the one, universal platform every device (be it phone, laptop or desktop) can always access, the web.

And they don't want to, because that experiment ran for around 20 years and resoundingly failed. Turns out it's really hard to stop the bottom quintile of users from entering all their credentials into just about any website that looks similar to what they are used to - and then their identity/money is just gone.

Stopping those users without a trusted authority deciding which electron-wrapped websites are genuine is an unsolved problem, I think.

Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Post by trilogic »

Well done, congratulations. My next phone will certainly be European to the root. Will be nice to come preinstalled with some free European (apps, socials and video hosting, like Vivaldi browser, HugstonOne local AI, Protonmail, Libreoffice, w-social, vimeo, mastodon, lemmy etc.
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