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Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Re: Jolla phone – a full-stack European alternative

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

crote wrote: post #31
oytis wrote: post #15

The most important question missing from the FAQ is whether bank apps, government ID apps, etc. will work with this phone.

Everything hinges on app support. Smartphone apps have unfortunately become a hard requirement for basic day-to-day activities. Most companies offer them only for iOS and Android. If your smartphone can't run the vast majority of apps, it is basically dead on arrival. Nobody is going to buy it when they need to carry another phone anyways. The only way around this is either emulation (which Google is trying very hard…

>heavy-handed regulation forcing app developers to also support niche platforms.

should work for banking and governmental applications, especially as those should already have the workflow in place to support niche platforms.

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Post by mrweasel »

Markoff wrote: post #5

huge notch and huge bottom bezel with mediocre Mediatek Dimensity 7100, all this for 650EUR with specs worse than 200EUR phones, that's like 450EUR for software, a bit high surcharge...

The notch is a bit silly, given that you have the bezel at the bottom, but I guess it could be ergonomics.

I believe the phone is designed around feedback for customers/potential customers. Which tells me that other people have very different phone usage from my own. I would have asked for a much smaller phone and a €200 price tag. The processor and even a shitty camera doesn't really bother me. I just want a cheap phone that can run like five apps (sadly one is the type that won't work, i.e. payments), and not run Android or iOS.

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Post by dddw »

pjmlp wrote: post #19
joe_mamba wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's what you get when you have no phone manufacturing supply chains anymore because you shipped them all to China 20+ years ago then lost the OS wars to Apple and Google leaving you with no local phone industry. Then it's gonna cost you through the nose when you're making, what are now to your industry, niche low volume items. Remember when you could buy EU made Nokias, Siemens and Ericssons? Even the chargers were…

As ex-Nokia, I can tell quite a few stories about the rampdown in Germany, of factories and R&D sites, merge with Siemens and what not. For those that care, search the news for strikes or layoffs, around the time iOS/Android were taking off.

Another good reason to dislike M$

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Post by defraudbah »

dev0p wrote: post #23

I mean 600+ euros is kind of a steep price, doubt I'll ever consider buying one because of that alone. Also, as an italian, Jolla reminds me a lot of the word "Ciolla", which you can only guess what it's a slang for. That doesn't help.

true, spaniards are confused too

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Post by seba_dos1 »

zaggynl wrote: post #4

What does full-stack mean here? Phone is fully produced in Europe? Software and online storage fully provided by European company? edit: I want this phone, I have reserved a slot in the coming batch. Just posing as an average Joe here, someone who does not host their own storage, calendar, contacts, phone tracking, remote wipe, the "free" features Google and Apple are known for on their phones.

Apparently "full-stack alternative" means "layered on top of Android" these days, as Jolla does with libhybris.

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Post by u1hcw9nx »

zaggynl wrote: post #4

What does full-stack mean here? Phone is fully produced in Europe? Software and online storage fully provided by European company? edit: I want this phone, I have reserved a slot in the coming batch. Just posing as an average Joe here, someone who does not host their own storage, calendar, contacts, phone tracking, remote wipe, the "free" features Google and Apple are known for on their phones.

Usually 'full stack' just means software. Here it means a true Linux phone (Sailfish OS) plus Android compatibility with sandboxing. The C2 model is made in Turkey from Asian parts. The new phone is manufactured in Asia, but the final assembly, QA, and software flashing are done in Finland.

This isn't for people with a consumer mindset. It’s for people who want a Linux computer in their pocket, more privacy, and still want to run some Android apps.

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Post by joe_mamba »

dddw wrote: post #44
pjmlp wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As ex-Nokia, I can tell quite a few stories about the rampdown in Germany, of factories and R&D sites, merge with Siemens and what not. For those that care, search the news for strikes or layoffs, around the time iOS/Android were taking off.

Another good reason to dislike M$

What does MS have to do with this? The Nokia factory shuffling and strikes GP was mentioning happened before MS took over.

And people love to blame MS but Nokia was a sinking ship already by that point. MS was just a new captain added to steer the Titanic but the same fate was inevitable, as its home grown MeeGo/Maemo platform arrived too late and to too little adoption to stand a chance against the already established iOS and Android platforms who were throwing infinity money on becoming the undisputed mobile duopoly platforms, selling 10x as many devices as Nokia was selling Maemo N900s. It was already over for Nokia by that point same as it was for Blackberry. Nokia's own engineers admitted this the moment they got to play with the first iPhone at their Espoo HQ.

That's like blaming a drunk driver for hitting a guy that previously shot himself in the head.

Nothing MS could have done would have changed that fate for the better. WHat did people expect MS to have done?

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