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Post by cardanome »

e-khadem wrote: post #289
zyxzevn wrote: post #203

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[citation needed]. Not really though, you're just spewing the regime's propaganda. You might as well directly quote Khamenei on this one. I'm really restraining myself by not swearing at this comment. Have you seen a dead body in your life? Have you seen a street stained with blood being washed with high pressure water? Have you seen parts of the brain of a fellow citizen on the sidewalk, the same guy who was standin…

The only mass protests in Iran I saw video evidence of have been the millions of Iranian people in the streets in the PRO-governments protests that were against the foreign intervention.

The will of the Iranian people is clear: The don't want to become slaves of Western Imperialism.

Do you really think we we Iranian government would be able to keep in power despite a brutal economic blockade, despite foreign agents constantly trying to spread unrest if it were as competent, cruel and unpopular as the Western media tell you? It wouldn't last weeks.

> 36'000 people were killed in just two nights.

You are completely delusional if you believe that number. Just the logistics of killing so many people would be insane. You are falling hard for Western propaganda.

Funny how you are not crying for the end of the Israeli regime that is committing the best documented genocide in history. How you are not criticizing Western allies like the UAE for fueling the bloody civil war in Sudan.

But Iran, yeah you got an opinion on that.

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Post by hn_230601 »

sekai wrote: post #189
smashah wrote: post #161

Hopefully the Iranian government doesn't take a page out of the US Epstein regime playbook and start trampling on students free speech for daring to speak against their mass Holocaust and baby bloodletting in Gaza and shooting protestors dead on the streets.

> dead on the streets. Iran regime already does that, they gunned-down thousands just last month, including 100's of public hangings.

smashah and others in this thread will deny that happened or downplay the numbers.

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Post by ghc »

ViktorRay wrote: post #304
injidup wrote: post #167

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> the only viable solution becomes giving the movement its demands. This interpretation reeks of Western naivete. Students were not merely arrested — they were gunned down en masse in the streets and even in hospitals. They were provoked by the U.S. president, who promised support to take on the institutions, but that support never materialized. The likely endgame of this current gunboat diplomacy is similar to Venez…

”This interpretation reeks of Western naivete.” The essay you are responding to was written by a historian. The ideas actually described in the essay were not developed by a Western person. They were first implemented successfully by a non-Western person. Mahatma Gandhi. And Gandhi developed these ideas from reading the writings of another non-Western person. Leo Tolstoy. More information can be found here. https://e…

I'm sure European aristocrat Leo Tolstoy would be astonished to find himself lumped in with an Indian as being non-western.

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Post by [deleted] »

pydry wrote: post #108
Wytwwww wrote: post #67

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> with western countries also openly declaring their intent to destabilize Iran As opposed to standing idly by when the regime 'stabilizes' the country by murdering thousands of people? It's well past the stage where non violent protest or resistance stopped being a viable option..

>As opposed to standing idly by when the regime 'stabilizes' the country by murdering thousands of people? Do you demand an invasion of Israel? Because your moral principles seem to demand an invasion and subjugation of Israel.

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Post by reliabilityguy »

vcryan wrote: post #266
reliabilityguy wrote: post #223

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US intelligence flip flopped on this issue every Friday. Given the high stakes situation, I personally believe that Iran did work on nuclear weapons. There is no reason whatsoever to enrich uranium beyond like 20% if its not for military purposes in such quantities. Saying that others are NPCs is interesting. How do you know that you are not an NPC?

I don't understand. If US, Israel, Pakistan, etc can all have nuclear weapons, why can't Iran?

Pakistan did it secretly. Today I doubt that Pakistan would have been allowed to have nukes. Moreover, just because they have nukes it is huge pain in the ass and that why the US and other countries support Pakistan financially — no one wants collapsing state with nuclear weapons.

If Iran gets nuclear weapons, all big Sunni countries will get them too: Saudis, Qatar, etc. we do not want it to happen, as the next Arab spring can collapse those governments, and you can count on any Muslim radical group getting hands on one of those.

Anyway, there are countries that have nuclear weapons, and this Jinny is out of the bottle. But, it doesn’t mean we want to have more of this crap lying around. We need less.

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Post by remarkEon »

hollerith wrote: post #282
remarkEon wrote: post #280

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The case for intervention in Iran is much stronger, from the perspective of the United States, if you zoom out and realize that a larger fight in the Pacific is brewing and it would be wise to remove a player from the board who would happily provide access to fuel and refining capacity to PRC. Not saying I agree with this, necessarily, but it helps to steel man the more sophisticated cases when you are trying to unde…

>it would be wise to remove a player from the board who would happily provide access to fuel and refining capacity to PRC. Washington has an easier way to do that: namely, to use its navy and the Sentinel Islands (controlled by Washington ally India) to prevent the transit of tankers from Iran to China.

Yes, possibly, but running an indefinite blockade or interdiction operation is still costly. It is lower in complexity in terms of operational capabilities required than a decapitation strike against the potential co-belligerent, although this is rapidly changing, but in order to effectively run one you are dedicating a very sizable percentage of your overall combat power away from the front. Additionally, I am skeptical that the Indian Navy could handle such an operation independently. Their fleet size has grown over the last decade, but, as alluded to, interdiction operations are increasingly complex so they would likely need assistance at least at the beginning. It's also, I think, a stretch to call India an "ally" per se of Washington today (maybe "partner" would be more accurate), and I find it hard to believe that India would effectively enter into a world war on behalf of the United States.

There is an argument to be made that a maritime interdiction operation is a better approach, and the information I would need to decide definitively which approach I think is better is likely very classified.

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Post by ViktorRay »

ghc wrote: post #313
ViktorRay wrote: post #304

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”This interpretation reeks of Western naivete.” The essay you are responding to was written by a historian. The ideas actually described in the essay were not developed by a Western person. They were first implemented successfully by a non-Western person. Mahatma Gandhi. And Gandhi developed these ideas from reading the writings of another non-Western person. Leo Tolstoy. More information can be found here. https://e…

I'm sure European aristocrat Leo Tolstoy would be astonished to find himself lumped in with an Indian as being non-western.

Tolstoy was Russian. Russia is not a Western country. And Tolstoy was influenced by non-Western philosophical and religious figures.

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Post by froggy »

martin-t wrote: post #185
stickfigure wrote: post #94

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This seems to only have a good track record in places with a democratic tradition. Some dictators have figured out you can just imprison and kill the opposition, and keep doing this until there is no more opposition. The Khomeini government is not going to just say "oh, you're right" and change. Neither will the Kim or Putin governments. Sometimes - sadly - violence is the least worst answer.

Don't say sadly. Don't further the indoctrination that violence is bad. It is a tool, it cannot be good or bad. States are the most prolific users of violence (even more when you also count potential/threatened, not yet materialized). Anyone who wants to claim that violence is bad has to oppose the existence of states. Violence is risky, dangerous, unpredictable, costly, etc. But those are practical and legal, not mo…

“If we lived in a world where dictators and their flying monkeys get regularly shot or droned to death, we wouldn't have dictators”

While I agree with the sentiment, the groups who support dictators (oligarchs, religious extremists) would decide to also use violence. So both dictators and the leaders on the side of the people would be murdered and society would be destabilized.

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Post by basisword »

Rover222 wrote: post #253
basisword wrote: post #212

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>> pro-Hamas activist You've let your true colors show through... People were angry at the world allowing a genocide to occur and at their own countries actively supporting that genocide. It was also a genocide going on for several years allowing momentum to build and anger to grow. The most recent Iranian uprising lasted a few weeks. I would be more upset that Trump told the poor Iranians to protest and that he woul…

There are are actual genocides happening in the world.

Yes, in Gaza.
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