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Pound for pound, Hacker News has the best bad takes anywhere. This is an absolutely terrible take, but at least it's very interesting.
I'd recommend Slashdot...
Iran students stage first large anti-government protests since deadly crackdown
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The Baloch movement is orthogonal to the students movement. Jaish al-Adl would continue bombing Iranian police stations regardless of who's in power in Tehran as long as India maintains operational control of Chabahar Port, Chabahar-Zahedan Railway, and INSTC. Similarly, the BLA and BNA would continue bombing Pakistani police stations regardless of who's in power in Islamabad/Pindi as long as China maintains operatio…
There is some crossover otherwise agencies wouldn’t have killed Sabeen Mahmud.
There is a lot of crossover.
Heck, one of our old neighbors growing up was a Iranian Baloch-Pakistani Baloch couple and according to them Baloch marriage across the border was extremely common. And Uzair Baloch had ties to both Iranian and Indian intelligence [0].
The Iran-Pakistan and the Iran-Afghanistan border is very porous because of how isolated Sistan-ve-Balochistan and much of Khorasan is from the rest of Iran.
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Generally in global politics if you are just killing your own people everything is cool. People don’t really get into it until you cross borders.
People seemed to care about the Myanmar and Chinese genocides. Muslim victims. Non-muslim oppressors. But Central Africa, Venezuela, Iran, Cuba, etc? Extreme suffering. But the activists don't activate.
Re: Myanmar, a large part of the reason "people seem to care about" what happened in Myanmar appeared to be the role Facebook played in it. How often did you hear about it in a context that wasn't about tech and the role of social media?
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Silly comment, in this case reporting facts about protests is indistinguishable from "manufacturing consent".
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Same vibes as folks whining about the US being behind Euromaidan in Ukraine (the US was not). Nope, folks, people really do not like being oppressed or lied to, and will on occasion let you know that in dramatic fashion.
Nuland confessed to spending 5 billion USD on Ukraine. She was caught on camera distributing cookies and sandwiches to the rioters. She was caught on tape discussing the next Ukrainian govt. And dissing the EU.
https://2009-2017.state.gov/p/eur/rls/rm/2013/dec/218804.htm
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Just think about would have happened if protesters in USA shot and killed 150 policemen. Protesters which foreign states (China or Russia) openly boasted they are supporting, and provided them with weapons and communication technology.
So there are no circumstances where armed rebellion is justifiable and the only legitimate type of resistance to state violence is literally trying to drown the state forces in bodies of non-violent protestors? At a certain point there ceases to be a middle path between violent resistance and complete surrender. > Protesters which foreign states (China or Russia) This type of relativism is dishonest. Of course US is…
>So there are no circumstances where armed rebellion is justifiable
What circumstances has Iran created that demand armed rebellion?
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> non-violence Armed Baloch and Kurdish groups have been boasting of firing on Iranian police. The police are firing back. Hard to call them non-violent when they openly boast about armed attacks. Who knows where they are getting their weapons, with western countries also openly declaring their intent to destabilize Iran.
> with western countries also openly declaring their intent to destabilize Iran As opposed to standing idly by when the regime 'stabilizes' the country by murdering thousands of people? It's well past the stage where non violent protest or resistance stopped being a viable option..
>As opposed to standing idly by when the regime 'stabilizes' the country by murdering thousands of people?
Do you demand an invasion of Israel? Because your moral principles seem to demand an invasion and subjugation of Israel.
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> with western countries also openly declaring their intent to destabilize Iran As opposed to standing idly by when the regime 'stabilizes' the country by murdering thousands of people? It's well past the stage where non violent protest or resistance stopped being a viable option..
Not really. We absolutely have the option to let things play out in Iran and refuse to intervene. There are many regimes in Africa that are as bad or worse than Iran. We seem to have little interest in "regime change" there. You should think about why not.
Because those countries are not trying to become a global power, with potential nuclear weapon, ICBM and drone capabilities along with a strategic location?
And all while making "death to america" part of their national slogan.
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We (the US) just bombed Iran last summer. We are moving the largest buildup in decades of armament and materiel to Iran's doorstep RIGHT NOW, and it seems extremely likely we are about to bomb them again. What exactly do you want to happen here? In your view, am I taking the side of the Ayatollahs because bombing isn't enough and we should be nuking Tehran instead? It's telling that perceived tacit support of an Iran…
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>That crowd only seems to care if they can actively oppose Israel or the current administration
Can you think of any motivating reasons for the crowd to focus on Israel specifically? Last I checked, the American government isn't sending billions of dollars of weaponry and political cover to the Iranian government, so that is one massive reason why protesting Israel makes more sense.
>have not made a peep about the thousands of Iranians recently murdered by their regime
I don't protest to signal my moral outrage, I do it to effect change in my elected leaders. It's not my responsibility to devote an equal amount of attention to every injustice — ignoring the cause and effects in that injustice with direct connection to politicians beholden to me — because people like you will find it "disturbing".