I'm impressed with how we moved from "AI is dangerous", "Skynet", "don't give AI internet access or we are doomed", "don't let AI escape" to "Hey AI, here is internet, do whatever you want".
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Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
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I don't have a Claw running right now and I wish I did. I want to start archiving the livestream from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfGL7A2YgUY - YouTube only provide access to the last 12 hours. If I had a Claw on a 24/7 machine somewhere I could message it and say "permanent archive this stream" and it would figure it out and do it.
If you know the method already, why is cron insufficient? Why use a meat bag to message over cron? Is that the setup phase for a new stream?
I'd have to setup a new VPS, which is fiddly to do from a phone. If I had a Claw that piece would be solved already.
Cron is also the perfect example of the kind of system I've been using for 20+ years where is still prefer to have an LLM configure it for me! Quick, off the top of your head what's the cron syntax for "run this at 8am and 4pm every day pacific time"?
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You could run them in a container and put access to highly sensitive personal data behind a "function" that requires a human-in-the-loop for every subsequent interaction. E.g. the access might happen in a "subagent" whose context gets wiped out afterwards, except for a sanitized response that the human can verify. There might be similar safeguards for posting to external services, which might require direct confirmat…
So you give it approval to the secret once, how can you be sure it wasn’t sent someplace else / persisted somehow for future sessions? Say you gave it access to Gmail for the sole purpose of emailing your mom. Are you sure the email it sent didn’t contain a hidden pixel from totally-harmless-site.com/your-token-here.gif?
The access to the secret, the long-term persisting/reasoning and the posting should all be done by separate subagents, and all exchange of data among them should be monitored. But this is easy in principle, since the data is just a plain-text context.
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I don't have a Claw running right now and I wish I did. I want to start archiving the livestream from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfGL7A2YgUY - YouTube only provide access to the last 12 hours. If I had a Claw on a 24/7 machine somewhere I could message it and say "permanent archive this stream" and it would figure it out and do it.
Yeah that fits the “do the dishes for me” thing, but do you still think the implementation behind it is the proper and best way to go about it?
I don't, which is why I'm not running OpenClaw on the live internet right now. See also Andrej's original tweet.
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I think for me it is an agent that runs on some schedule, checks some sort of inbox (or not) and does things based on that. Optionally it has all of your credentials for email, PayPal, whatever so that it can do things on your behalf. Basically cron-for-agents. Before we had to go prompt an agent to do something right now but this allows them to be async, with more of a YOLO-outlook on permissions to use your creds,…
I think this is absolute madness. I disabled most of Windows' scheduled tasks because I don't want automation messing up my system, and now I'm supposed to let LLM agents go wild on my data? That's just insane. Insanity. Edit: I mean, it's hard to believe that people who consider themselves as being tech savvy (as I assume most HN users do, I mean it's "Hacker" news) are fine with that sort of thing. What is a person…
I find it's the same kind of "tech savvy" person who puts an amazon echo in every room.
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#327I find it dubious that a technical person claims to "just bought a new Mac mini to properly tinker with claws over the weekend". Like can they not just play with it on an old laptop lying around? A virtual machine? Or why did they not buy a Pi instead? Openclaw works with linux so not sure how this whole Mac mini cliche even started, obviously an overkill for something that only relays api calls.
Your suspicions are correct, any extra machine works: 4GB Pi, virtual machine, or old laptop.
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Agree, but his content on LLM are top-notch.
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#329Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't have a Claw running right now and I wish I did. I want to start archiving the livestream from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfGL7A2YgUY - YouTube only provide access to the last 12 hours. If I had a Claw on a 24/7 machine somewhere I could message it and say "permanent archive this stream" and it would figure it out and do it.
If you know the method already, why is cron insufficient? Why use a meat bag to message over cron? Is that the setup phase for a new stream?
This reminded me of a video I saw recently where someone mentioned that piracy is most often a service problem not a price problem. That back in the days people used torrents to get movies because they worked well and were better than searching for stuff at blockbuster, then, came Netflix, and they flocked to it and paid the premium for convenience without even thinking twice and piracy decreased.
I think the analogy here holds, people are lazy, we have a service and UX problem with these tools right now, so convenience beats quality and control for the average Joe.
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The DoDs recent beef with Anthropic over their right to restrict how Claude can be used is revealing. > Though Anthropic has maintained that it does not and will not allow its AI systems to be directly used in lethal autonomous weapons or for domestic surveillance Autonomous AI weapons is one of the things the DoD appears to be pursuing. So bring back the Skynet people, because that’s where we apparently are. 1. http…
> Autonomous AI weapons In theory, you can do this today, in your garage. Buy a quad as a kit. (cheap) Figure out how to arm it (the trivial part). Grab yolo, tuned for people detection. Grab any of the off the shelf facial recognition libraries. You can mostly run this on phone hardware, and if you're stripping out the radios then possibly for days. The shim you have to write: software to fly the drone into the pers…
Didn't screamers evolve sophisticated intelligence? Is that what happens if we use claw and let it write its own skills and update it's own objectives?