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Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by madeofpalk »

throwaway_z0om wrote: post #93
ggrab wrote: post #53

IMO the security pitchforking on OpenClaw is just so overdone. People without consideration for the implications will inevitably get burned, as we saw with the reddit posts "Agentic Coding tool X wiped my hard drive and apologized profusely". I work at a FAANG and every time you try something innovative the "policy people" will climb out of their holes and put random roadblocks in your way, not for the sake of actual…

> the "policy people" will climb out of their holes I am one of those people and I work at a FANG. And while I know it seems annoying, these teams are overwhelmed with not only innovators but lawyers asking so many variations of the same question it's pretty hard to get back to the innovators with a thumbs up or guidance. Also there is a real threat here. The "wiped my hard drive" story is annoying but it's a toy pro…

I know it’s what the security folk think about, exfiltrating to a model endpoint is the least of my concerns.

I work on commercial OSS. My fear is that it’s exfiltrated to public issues or code. It helpfully commits secrets or other BS like that. And that’s even ignoring prompt injection attacks from the public.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by UncleMeat »

jb1991 wrote: post #34
TowerTall wrote: post #21

Who is Andrej Karpathy?

[flagged]

Andrej is an extremely effective communicator and educator. But I don't agree that he is one of the most significant AI pioneers in history. His research contributions are significant but not exceptional compared to other folks around him at the time. He got famous for free online courses, not his research. His work at Tesla was not exactly a rousing success.

Today I see him as a major influence in how people, especially tech people, think about AI tools. That's valuable. But I don't really think it makes him a pioneer.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by weikju »

labcomputer wrote: post #140
ksynwa wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? That's it?

I think the mini is just a better value, all things considered: First, a 16GB RPi that is in stock and you can actually buy seems to run about $220. Then you need a case, a power supply (they're sensitive, not any USB brick will do), an NVMe. By the time it's all said and done, you're looking at close to $400. I know HN likes to quote the starting price for the 1GB model and assume that everyone has spare NVMe sticks…

> In the real world, an M5 mini will give you a decent fraction of V100 performance

In the real world, the M5 Mini is not yet on the market. Check your LLM/LLM facts ;)

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by amelius »

password54321 wrote: post #57
TowerTall wrote: post #21

Who is Andrej Karpathy?

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I wish he went back to writing educational blogs/books/papers/material so we can learn how to build AI ourselves.

Most of us have the imagination to figure out how to best use AI. I'm sure most of us considered what OpenClaw is doing like from the first days of LLMs. What we miss is the guidance to understand the rapid advances from first principles.

If he doesn't want to provide that, perhaps he can write an AI tool to help us understand AI papers.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by throwaway_z0om »

madeofpalk wrote: post #161
throwaway_z0om wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the "policy people" will climb out of their holes I am one of those people and I work at a FANG. And while I know it seems annoying, these teams are overwhelmed with not only innovators but lawyers asking so many variations of the same question it's pretty hard to get back to the innovators with a thumbs up or guidance. Also there is a real threat here. The "wiped my hard drive" story is annoying but it's a toy pro…

I know it’s what the security folk think about, exfiltrating to a model endpoint is the least of my concerns. I work on commercial OSS. My fear is that it’s exfiltrated to public issues or code. It helpfully commits secrets or other BS like that. And that’s even ignoring prompt injection attacks from the public.

In the end if the data goes somewhere public, it'll be consumed and in today's threat model another GenAI tool is going to exploit faster than any human will.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by krelian »

amelius wrote: post #153
krelian wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you give some example for what you use it for? I understand giving a summary of what's waiting in your inbox but what else?

Extending your driver's license. Asking the bank for a second mortgage. Finding the right high school for your kids. The possibilities are endless. /s <- okay

Have you actually used it successfully for these purposes?

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by xorcist »

amelius wrote: post #153
krelian wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you give some example for what you use it for? I understand giving a summary of what's waiting in your inbox but what else?

Extending your driver's license. Asking the bank for a second mortgage. Finding the right high school for your kids. The possibilities are endless. /s <- okay

Any writers for Black Mirror hanging around here?

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by duskdozer »

amelius wrote: post #153
krelian wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you give some example for what you use it for? I understand giving a summary of what's waiting in your inbox but what else?

Extending your driver's license. Asking the bank for a second mortgage. Finding the right high school for your kids. The possibilities are endless. /s <- okay

You've used it for these things?

seeing your edit now: okay, you got me. I'm usually not one to ask for sarcasm marks but.....at this point I've heard quite a lot from AIbros

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by throwaway_z0om »

pvtmert wrote: post #116
ggrab wrote: post #53

IMO the security pitchforking on OpenClaw is just so overdone. People without consideration for the implications will inevitably get burned, as we saw with the reddit posts "Agentic Coding tool X wiped my hard drive and apologized profusely". I work at a FAANG and every time you try something innovative the "policy people" will climb out of their holes and put random roadblocks in your way, not for the sake of actual…

I am also ex-FAANG (recently departed), while I partially agree the "policy-people" pop-up fairly often, my experience is more on the inadequate checks side. Though with the recent layoffs and stuff, the security in Amazon was getting better. Even the best-practices for IAM policies that was the norm in 2018, is just getting enforced by 2025. Since I had a background of infosec, it always confused me how normal it wa…

Defense in depth is important, while there is a front door of approvals, you need stuff checking the back door to see if someone left the keys under the mat.
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