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Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by xg15 »

mittermayr wrote: post #43

I wonder how long it'll take (if it hasn't already) until the messaging around this inevitably moves on to "Do not self-host this, are you crazy? This requires console commands, don't be silly! Our team of industry-veteran security professionals works on your digital safety 24/7, you would never be able to keep up with the demands of today's cybersecurity attack spectrum. Any sane person would host their claw with us…

What exactly are they self hosting here? Probably not the model, right? So just the harness?

That does sound like the worst of both worlds: You get the dependency and data protection issues of a cloud solution, but you also have to maintain a home server to keep the agent running on?

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by keiferski »

9dev wrote: post #44
7777777phil wrote: post #20

Karpathy has a good ear for naming things. "Claw" captures what the existing terminology missed, these aren't agents with more tools (maybe even the opposite), they're persistent processes with scheduling and inter-agent communication that happen to use LLMs for reasoning.

Why do we always have to come up with the stupidest names for things. Claw was a play on Claude, is all. Granted, I don’t have a better one at hand, but that it has to be Claw of all things…

The real-world cyberpunk dystopia won’t come with cool company names like Arasaka, Sense/Net, or Ono-Sendai. Instead we get childlike names with lots of vowels and alliteration.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by ggrab »

IMO the security pitchforking on OpenClaw is just so overdone. People without consideration for the implications will inevitably get burned, as we saw with the reddit posts "Agentic Coding tool X wiped my hard drive and apologized profusely". I work at a FAANG and every time you try something innovative the "policy people" will climb out of their holes and put random roadblocks in your way, not for the sake of actual security (that would be fine but would require actual engagement) but just to feel important, it reminds me of that.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by zozbot234 »

nnevatie wrote: post #36
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #26

So what is a "claw" exactly? An ai that you let loose on your email etc? And we run it in a container and use a local llm for "safety" but it has access to all our data and the web?

That's it basically. I do not think running the tool in a container really solves the fundamental danger these tools pose to your personal data.

You could run them in a container and put access to highly sensitive personal data behind a "function" that requires a human-in-the-loop for every subsequent interaction. E.g. the access might happen in a "subagent" whose context gets wiped out afterwards, except for a sanitized response that the human can verify.

There might be similar safeguards for posting to external services, which might require direct confirmation or be performed by fresh subagents with sanitized, human-checked prompts and contexts.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by m4rtink »

keiferski wrote: post #52
9dev wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do we always have to come up with the stupidest names for things. Claw was a play on Claude, is all. Granted, I don’t have a better one at hand, but that it has to be Claw of all things…

The real-world cyberpunk dystopia won’t come with cool company names like Arasaka, Sense/Net, or Ono-Sendai. Instead we get childlike names with lots of vowels and alliteration.

The name still kinda reminds me of the self replicating murder drones from Screemers that would leep out from the ground and chop your head off. ;-)

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by onion2k »

password54321 wrote: post #56
onion2k wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://karpathy.ai/ PHD in neural networks under Fei-Fei Li, founder of OpenAI, director of AI at Tesla, etc. He knows what he's talking about.

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While I appreciate an appeal to authority is a logical fallacy, you can't really use that to ignore everyone's experience and expertise. Sometimes people who have a huge amount of experience and knowledge on a subject do actually make a valid point, and their authority on the subject is enough to make them worth listening to.
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