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Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by bwfan123 »

xrd wrote: post #296
sph wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is exactly why artificial super-intelligences are scary. Not necessarily because of its potential actions, but because humans are stupid, and would readily sell their souls and release it into the wild just for an ounce of greed or popularity. And people who don't see it as an existential problem either don't know how deep human stupidity can run, or are exactly those that would greedily seek a quick profit befo…

I love this. Another way of saying it: the problem we should be focused on is not how smart the AI is getting. The problem we should be focused on is how dumb people are getting (or have been for all of eternity) and how they will facilitate and block their own chance of survival. That seems uniquely human but I'm not a ethnobiologist. A corollary to that is that the only real chance for survival is that a plurality…

Majority of us are meme-copying automatons who are easily pwned by LLMs. Few of us have learned to exercise critical thinking and understanding from the first assumptions - the kind of thing we are expected to be learn in schools - also the kind of thing that still separates us from machines. A charitable view is that there is a spectrum in there. Now, with AI and social media, there will be an acceleration of this movement to the stupid end of the spectrum.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by zer00eyz »

deepsquirrelnet wrote: post #277
claytonaalves wrote: post #219

I'm impressed with how we moved from "AI is dangerous", "Skynet", "don't give AI internet access or we are doomed", "don't let AI escape" to "Hey AI, here is internet, do whatever you want".

The DoDs recent beef with Anthropic over their right to restrict how Claude can be used is revealing. > Though Anthropic has maintained that it does not and will not allow its AI systems to be directly used in lethal autonomous weapons or for domestic surveillance Autonomous AI weapons is one of the things the DoD appears to be pursuing. So bring back the Skynet people, because that’s where we apparently are. 1. http…

> Autonomous AI weapons

In theory, you can do this today, in your garage.

Buy a quad as a kit. (cheap)

Figure out how to arm it (the trivial part).

Grab yolo, tuned for people detection. Grab any of the off the shelf facial recognition libraries. You can mostly run this on phone hardware, and if you're stripping out the radios then possibly for days.

The shim you have to write: software to fly the drone into the person... and thats probably around somewhere out there as well.

The tech to build "Screamers" (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screamers_(1995_film) ) already exists, is open source and can be very low power (see: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/O_lz0b792ew ) --

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Post by fragmede »

pvtmert wrote: post #100

Does one really need to _buy_ a completely new desktop hardware (ie. mac mini) to _run_ a simple request/response program? Excluding the fact that you can run LLMs via ollama or similar directly on the device, but that will not have a very good token/s speed as far as I can guess...

You don't, that's just the most visible way to do it. Any other computer capable of running not-Claude code in a shell with a browser will do, but all the cool kids are buying mac's, don't you wanna be one of them?

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Post by tartoran »

nightski wrote: post #298
deepsquirrelnet wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The DoDs recent beef with Anthropic over their right to restrict how Claude can be used is revealing. > Though Anthropic has maintained that it does not and will not allow its AI systems to be directly used in lethal autonomous weapons or for domestic surveillance Autonomous AI weapons is one of the things the DoD appears to be pursuing. So bring back the Skynet people, because that’s where we apparently are. 1. http…

If you ever doubted it you were fooling yourself. It is inevitable.

If we all sit back and lament that it’s inevitable surely it could happen.

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

claytonaalves wrote: post #219

I'm impressed with how we moved from "AI is dangerous", "Skynet", "don't give AI internet access or we are doomed", "don't let AI escape" to "Hey AI, here is internet, do whatever you want".

Even if hordes of humanoids with “ice” vests start walking through the streets shooting people, the average American is still not going to wake up and do anything

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Post by hmokiguess »

Are these things actually useful or do we have an epidemic of loneliness and a deep need for vanity AI happening?

I say this because I can’t bring myself to finding a use case for it other than a toy that gets boring fast.

One example in some repos around scheduling capabilities mentions “open these things and summarize them for me” this feels like spam and noise not value.

A while back we had a trending tweet about wanting AI to do your dishes for you and not replace creativity, I guess this feels like an attempt to go there but to me it’s the wrong implementation.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by phi-go »

xrd wrote: post #296
sph wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is exactly why artificial super-intelligences are scary. Not necessarily because of its potential actions, but because humans are stupid, and would readily sell their souls and release it into the wild just for an ounce of greed or popularity. And people who don't see it as an existential problem either don't know how deep human stupidity can run, or are exactly those that would greedily seek a quick profit befo…

I love this. Another way of saying it: the problem we should be focused on is not how smart the AI is getting. The problem we should be focused on is how dumb people are getting (or have been for all of eternity) and how they will facilitate and block their own chance of survival. That seems uniquely human but I'm not a ethnobiologist. A corollary to that is that the only real chance for survival is that a plurality…

Isn't defining what should not be done by anyone a problem that laws (as in legislation) are for? Though, it's not that I expect that those laws would come in time.

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Post by brap »

zozbot234 wrote: post #54
nnevatie wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's it basically. I do not think running the tool in a container really solves the fundamental danger these tools pose to your personal data.

You could run them in a container and put access to highly sensitive personal data behind a "function" that requires a human-in-the-loop for every subsequent interaction. E.g. the access might happen in a "subagent" whose context gets wiped out afterwards, except for a sanitized response that the human can verify. There might be similar safeguards for posting to external services, which might require direct confirmat…

So you give it approval to the secret once, how can you be sure it wasn’t sent someplace else / persisted somehow for future sessions?

Say you gave it access to Gmail for the sole purpose of emailing your mom. Are you sure the email it sent didn’t contain a hidden pixel from totally-harmless-site.com/your-token-here.gif?

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Post by simonw »

hmokiguess wrote: post #307

Are these things actually useful or do we have an epidemic of loneliness and a deep need for vanity AI happening? I say this because I can’t bring myself to finding a use case for it other than a toy that gets boring fast. One example in some repos around scheduling capabilities mentions “open these things and summarize them for me” this feels like spam and noise not value. A while back we had a trending tweet about…

I don't have a Claw running right now and I wish I did. I want to start archiving the livestream from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfGL7A2YgUY - YouTube only provide access to the last 12 hours. If I had a Claw on a 24/7 machine somewhere I could message it and say "permanent archive this stream" and it would figure it out and do it.
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