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Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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so what's your point? he should just not get involved in the most discussed topic in the last month and highest growth OS project?

> highest growth OS project

Did you mean OSS, or I'm missing some big news in the operating systems world?

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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I expect him to be LLM curious.

If he has influence it is because we concede it to him (and I have to say that I think he has worked to earn that).

He could say nothing of course but it's clear that is not his personality—he seems to enjoy helping to bridge the gap between the LLM insiders and researchers and the rest of us that are trying to keep up (…with what the hell is going on).

And I suspect if any of us were in his shoes, we would get deluged with people who are constantly engaging us, trying to illicit our take on some new LLM outcrop, turn of events. It would be hard to stay silent.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Karpathy has a good ear for naming things. "Claw" captures what the existing terminology missed, these aren't agents with more tools (maybe even the opposite), they're persistent processes with scheduling and inter-agent communication that happen to use LLMs for reasoning.

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Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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This doesn't seem to be promoting every new monstrosity? "m definitely a bit sus'd to run OpenClaw specifically - giving my private data/keys to 400K lines of vibe coded monster that is being actively attacked at scale is not very appealing at all. Already seeing reports of exposed instances, RCE vulnerabilities, supply chain poisoning, malicious or compromised skills in the registry, it feels like a complete wild we…

Did you read the part where he loves all this shit regardless? That's basically an endorsement. Like after coined the vibe coding term now every moron will be scrambling to write about this "new layer".

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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I wonder how long it'll take (if it hasn't already) until the messaging around this inevitably moves on to "Do not self-host this, are you crazy? This requires console commands, don't be silly! Our team of industry-veteran security professionals works on your digital safety 24/7, you would never be able to keep up with the demands of today's cybersecurity attack spectrum. Any sane person would host their claw with us…

Great idea, happy to ~steal~ be inspired by . I propose a few other common elements: 1. Another AI agent (actually bunch of folks in a 3rd-world country) to gatekeep/check select input/outputs for data leaks. 2. Using advanced network isolation techniques (read: bunch of iptables rules and security groups) to limit possible data exfiltration. This would actually be nice, as the agent for whatsapp would run in a separ…

Ironically, even though you were being tongue in cheek, the spirit of those ideas was good.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again sounds like a management failure. Why aren't you boss talking with their boss and asking what the fuck is going on, and putting the development on hold until it's been agreed on? Again your boss is the one who is wasting your time, they are the one responsible for that what you spend your time on is actually useful and valuable, which they clearly messed up in that case.

As I already said, management ultimately is the root of the blame. But what you don't seem to get is that at least some of their blame is from hiring dumbasses into that security review role. Why did the security team initially give the okay to checking signatures on plugin jars? They're supposed to be security experts, what kind of security expert doesn't know that a signature check like that could be modded out? I…

Well if it requires tampering with the software to do the insecure thing, then it’s presumably your company has a contract in place saying that if they get hacked it’s on them. That doesn’t strike me as just being retarded security theater.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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IMO the security pitchforking on OpenClaw is just so overdone. People without consideration for the implications will inevitably get burned, as we saw with the reddit posts "Agentic Coding tool X wiped my hard drive and apologized profusely". I work at a FAANG and every time you try something innovative the "policy people" will climb out of their holes and put random roadblocks in your way, not for the sake of actual…

No laws when you’re running Claws.
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