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Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

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Re: Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

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Post by hydrogen7800 »

JohnMakin wrote: post #47
t1234s wrote: post #17

This is a bait-and-switch that will be used to roll in an internet ID for all people. I believe this is why M$ is trying to force people to log in to their local machines with a microsoft account.

I have been terminally online since the age of 7 and this would probably make me shut everything down and go outside. Maybe that'd be good for society, but I suspect most people will just shrug and go along with it.

"It can't be that bad if everyone else is also doing it."

I'm not sure how principled I would be if/when it comes to that. I hope I will be.

Re: Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

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Post by ericmay »

trhway wrote: post #89
ericmay wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, there are trade-offs.

it isn't trade-off. You're supporting a systematic chilling effect on legal free speech.

> it isn't trade-off.

Yes it is.

> You're supporting a systematic chilling effect on free speech.

No I'm not.

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There's no point in free speech if the only free speech is from bots and propagandists. Social media platforms aren't free speech platforms either, you're subject to their terms and conditions.

Re: Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

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Post by 1209178 »

ericmay wrote: post #66
thewebguyd wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not implemented like that because the true goal of these laws has nothing to do with protecting children or age verification, and instead have everything to do with completely eliminating anonymity/pseudo-anonymity online. They want to ID everyone, and have all user generated content attributed to a known, identified individual.

I think it's mostly easy to identify anyone if you actually want to - if you buy anything online you are 100% identifiable for example. Given the pros/cons in context, I think I'm in favor of it for social media, at least. I'd actually argue you would want to go further and you should have your full address, employer, and more available online. LinkedIn is a cesspool of awful salespeople, but you know what it's not?…

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Re: Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

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Post by ls612 »

agentifysh wrote: post #40

Curious, what is driving this "you need permission to use the internet" bills suddenly ? Really miss the old internet.

The rise of anti-Establishment politics led the Establishment to strike back, and they play for keeps.

That said I still expect mandatory age verification/ID for the internet to fail legal challenges in the US as there is broad precedent for both anonymous speech rights and children’s speech rights under the first amendment.

Re: Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

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Post by advisedwang »

root_axis wrote: post #55
advisedwang wrote: post #6

In my ideal world a law would: 1. Require device manufacturers to allow the device owner (which covers parents of minors' devices) to set policy for the device, including allow/blocklist for apps and sites, and allow/blocklists for content categories. 2. Require browsers to respect the device's policy for site allow/blocklist 3. Require browsers to set a certain header for allow/blocklist of content categories 4. Req…

I think it's a great proposal if we add a slight alteration. Rather than requiring parents to maintain block/allow lists, the OS should allow the parent to lock in a birth-date, and that birth-date is used by the system to generate a user-age header, from there, websites can be legally required to respect the header and maintain whatever restrictions correspond to the applicable laws. This gives sites the ability to…

I'd really like to steer away from age entirely. This requires that we have universal rules about what content is appropriate for what age, which I don't think is necessary. For kids, why not let parents decide. And why not also use this infrastructure for adults. NSFW buttons are so common that it's clearly something that adults want too.

Re: Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

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Post by mghackerlady »

t1234s wrote: post #17

This is a bait-and-switch that will be used to roll in an internet ID for all people. I believe this is why M$ is trying to force people to log in to their local machines with a microsoft account.

In that case, we should build a new internet designed specifically to prevent this kind of behaviour and the slopification of the current internet. Let HTTP rot and build something a little less spartan than gemini but still resistant to slop. If anyone has the resources, my current idea is a p2p protocol for sharing some kind of markup that can do minimal styling and a client that doesn't need some kind of scripting language to do things like use buttons

Re: Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

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Post by b65e8bee43c2ed0 »

rootusrootus wrote: post #57
b65e8bee43c2ed0 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

which 'wing' cheered loudly when every platform openly suppressed their political opponents during the last decade, and frothed in impotent rage when one of those platforms unexpectedly changed hands and ceased the censorship? somehow, censorship is only bad when the wrong side does it. when the correct side does it, it's justified and necessary for your democracies to survive.

I sometimes wonder how serious these sorts of sentiments are. Like, when you claim something easily disproven and openly partisan, do you know that and do it anyway, or is your internal dialog one of righteous outrage?

for example, go ahead and easily disprove that Twitter, Google, and Facebook had banned the sitting president of the United States in January 2021, simultaneously and voluntarily.

Re: Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

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Post by mghackerlady »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #72
giraffe_lady wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's right wing censorship plain and simple. Unfashionable to state this.

You weren’t around when Tipper Gore was raising the alarm about Ice T’s “Cop Killer” (now “ICE Killer” since he has been playing a cop on TV for a quarter century) or NWA and “F%%% the Police”

Gore is at best a centrist

Re: Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

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Post by mghackerlady »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #48

Remember when children weren't even supposed to use the internet unsupervised? What happened? The internet hasn't gotten any less filthy.

Shareholders happened and decided there was money in it, and now the government is using their failures and the irresponsibility of parents for mass surveillance
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