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Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

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Post by Forgeties79 »

dathinab wrote: post #232
Forgeties79 wrote: post #177

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I don’t entirely disagree with that but with that kind of traffic/userbase clearly it’s far more mainstream than is being implied. Also, young people are definitely not getting on Facebook, which impacts how “mainstream” we can consider it. Reddit skews a fair bit younger than FB.

> young people are definitely not getting on Facebook but Reddit is mostly relevant "in the west" where most countries have an inverted age pyramid and most old people are not on Reddit, but on Facebook and reddit relevance outside of the US is often far less then people think, to a point where many people not even know what it is. It doesn't has a network effect pulling in "friends and family". and a lot of people "…

I don’t know why you are commenting in two different places with roughly the same points but I’m just going to stick to this thread if that’s alright.

You are making some assumptions and guesses when all of these numbers are generally searchable - I don’t disagree with your point largely speaking, but the magnitude(s) is what seem off to me. Over 50% of Reddit traffic is international, about 75% of Facebook’s is. Yes clearly Reddit biases “the west” but a couple of y’all keep trying to paint these incredibly stark pictures.

Reddit and Facebook are both massive. They both have significant influence on culture and discourse worldwide. You’re also disputing Reddit’s traffic but again a search will confirm it is the 7th most visited site in the world. We can argue with the significance of that is given their demographic distribution, but then we would have to do the same thing to Facebook and I just don’t think that’s a particularly useful conversation without some concrete data at our fingertips. If you have some I am legitimately interested to see it.

Either way: Yes facebook is more international. Yes it is larger. But the gap isn’t 1000x. It’s not even 100x. They both have mainstream appeal, they both have shortcomings that keep them from being “truly” representative. It doesn’t help that Facebook hides their DAU’s among their other offerings to obscure the stall (perhaps it’s now even in decline) they have experienced. That’s not a good look I’ll say that much.

Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

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Post by dathinab »

bee_rider wrote: post #230
dathinab wrote: post #218

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at most most in the US and also because many modern platforms are app focused and don't care about web traffic and Reddit is a huge target for scrapping int the US so traffic numbers of recent few years have become a meaningless metric Outside the US Reddit is often far less relevant then in the US, still somewhat relevant in many "western" countries but often far far less then in the US (like e.g. where I live no on…

If Reddit is an ok representation of semi-techy/nerdy Americans it is probably(?) a good representation of Ring Doorbell customers, right?

not sure,

from the not very representative context of people I know/where I live (not US):

Ring customers are often old overly worried people which "don't really care anymore" about ideal (often due to an over exposure to fear inducing propaganda, like the kind of stuff which first ties to make you think you live in far more danger then you do and then blames it on immigrants; And ring them comes in by being cheap, reliable and convenient and maybe the only AD reaching that demography. Worries about privacy are on the other hand shadowed by fear about people breaking in and beating them up.)

Other people needing cameras tend care more about privacy ideals and do more research. In turn they won't use ring.

And people not needing cameras most times also really don't want there to be cameras, especially not internet connected ones.

Through in general the relationship to surveillance is very different here compared to what it seems to be in the US.

Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

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Post by phil21 »

gspr wrote: post #68
anal_reactor wrote: post #47

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> and I assume in much of Europe No. In Poland it's legal to record everything, only when you publish the recordings you need the recorded people to agree. The core issue is that "nothing to hide nothing to fear" argument is correct as long as the government is trustworthy. Not only that, but mass-surveilance greatly improves life because it allows much better crowd management. Case in point - speed cameras. Would yo…

> No. In Poland it's legal to record everything, only when you publish the recordings you need the recorded people to agree. Interesting. Thanks for this perspective. But for the sake of this debate it's still more or less the same situation. > The core issue is that "nothing to hide nothing to fear" argument is correct as long as the government is trustworthy. The government and everyone else who might have access t…

> (this is equivalent to speed cameras when the induction loop in the ground says that a car passed faster than the speed limit)

This isn't how many speed cameras work in Europe. They work by having a speed camera at location Y on the highway that snaps a photo of your car/license plate read, and then another one 5km down the road that also snaps such a photo and plate read.

If you average more than the speed limit in that distance between photo timestamps, you get a ticket mailed to you.

Due to the way it works, it's taking a snapshot of every single vehicle that passes each camera. How long that data is stored/etc. I suppose is a matter of how much you trust the government.

This system is considered better most of the time since it allows for brief excursions of the limit for overtaking, and doesn't just set up a situation where everyone slows down for the one known speed camera point (or slam on the brakes when they notice a mobile speed camera van on the side of the road).

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Post by mikkupikku »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #152
serial_dev wrote: post #119

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There was an ad, how the Ring cameras can organize a "search party" for your "puppies", basically turning the whole neighborhood into a surveillance operation. Even though they wrapped the whole big brother feature into "sad little girl lost their cute puppy", it was too obvious. Ad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OheUzrXsKrY With that said, I'm not sure it will have any long term effect on them... sure some people…

Is this really political? While the right “Backs the Blue” (and ICE), they are just as concerned about the surveillance state as the left. Their threat model is just different as far as why. The right never trusted federal law enforcement.

It was interesting to watch liberal progressives learn in real time that federal agents are allowed to just murder people. Right wing conspiracy theorists have known this since Ruby Ridge.

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Post by mikkupikku »

philipallstar wrote: post #175
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #156

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> It's not a partisan issue. I'm sorry I'm having a hard time remembering the role leftists are playing in the US right now what with the Executive, Congressional and Judicial branches all being stacked to the tits with Republicans, right up to the top with our dementia-addled conman of a president, sleepily signing into law the policies that will see us excised as the center of world economics.

If you think the current president is dementia-addled compared to the last one, then that would be very surprising.

They're both senile old farts 20+ years too old for the office. Trying to say one or the other was/is more far gone misses the point.

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Post by DrScientist »

AlexandrB wrote: post #227
hi-jinx5678 wrote: post #190

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no, israel demanded the tiktok thing due to the backlash they are recieving for genocide and ethnic cleansing. their faithful servants in america simply did as their master commanded.

"From the river to the sea" is a literal call for Israel to be ethnically cleansed. Both sides want to kill each other very badly, only one side has the capability at the moment.

Maybe. Though you have missed out the second part - which doesn't talk about cleansing - it only talks about end of occupation.

Only one side is an illegally occupying power who took the land by force from the people who were peacefully living there.

And don't quote me events from ~2000 years ago.

If everyone held grudges that long the whole world would be at war.

The people in the West bank currently being driven from their homes - they aren't a threat to Israel - they are just farmers working their land. Trying to pick their olives.

It's a false equivalence to say there are two sides, on the one hand and the other.

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Post by UltraSane »

Epskampie wrote: post #43
UltraSane wrote: post #27

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The world is going to be filled with millions of cameras using AI to analyze the video in real time.

Doesn't have to be. Here in the Netherlands it's actually illegal to (permanently) film public space, and people can and will point that out to any offenders.

How can that actually be enforced?

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Post by UltraSane »

danielbln wrote: post #61
Epskampie wrote: post #43

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Doesn't have to be. Here in the Netherlands it's actually illegal to (permanently) film public space, and people can and will point that out to any offenders.

Same in Germany. Putting something like a Ring camera up is a big no-no.

That seems impossible to actually enforce.

Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

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Post by UltraSane »

assimpleaspossi wrote: post #159
UltraSane wrote: post #27

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The world is going to be filled with millions of cameras using AI to analyze the video in real time.

And then what?

It could reduce crime and also could be used by evil people to do evil things.
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