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Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

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Post by gosub100 »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #139
serial_dev wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was an ad, how the Ring cameras can organize a "search party" for your "puppies", basically turning the whole neighborhood into a surveillance operation. Even though they wrapped the whole big brother feature into "sad little girl lost their cute puppy", it was too obvious. Ad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OheUzrXsKrY With that said, I'm not sure it will have any long term effect on them... sure some people…

And, you know, if it was actually mobilized to find lost puppies, I'd be all for that shit. But that's not what it's for. It's for helping cops find poor people, or ICE find Mexicans, or whatever bullshit is making the headlines in 4 weeks. FWIW, I don't like being a tech downer/skeptic, but every fucking thing is like this now. Every social media is being turned into surveillance. Every cloud-based application, no m…

> Christofascists

It's not a partisan issue. From leftist utopias to god-fearing Texan ranch lands, the police are abusing power and harassing innocent people. Trying to bring religion and partisanship (in one word, even) doesn't help your message.

Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

serial_dev wrote: post #119
sjducb wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What did the ad say? I didn’t watch the Superbowl.

There was an ad, how the Ring cameras can organize a "search party" for your "puppies", basically turning the whole neighborhood into a surveillance operation. Even though they wrapped the whole big brother feature into "sad little girl lost their cute puppy", it was too obvious. Ad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OheUzrXsKrY With that said, I'm not sure it will have any long term effect on them... sure some people…

Is this really political? While the right “Backs the Blue” (and ICE), they are just as concerned about the surveillance state as the left. Their threat model is just different as far as why. The right never trusted federal law enforcement.

Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

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Post by assimpleaspossi »

ulrikrasmussen wrote: post #9

Good. But people should not have pointed cameras into public spaces and live streamed everything to the cloud to begin with. Walking past a house with a camera doorbell makes me really uncomfortable, like I'm being watched.

Nobody's watching you. Nobody cares that you're walking by.

Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

asdff wrote: post #12
ulrikrasmussen wrote: post #9

Good. But people should not have pointed cameras into public spaces and live streamed everything to the cloud to begin with. Walking past a house with a camera doorbell makes me really uncomfortable, like I'm being watched.

I have a local one (reolink). Prompted by neighbors getting robbed unfortunately. Will this prevent crime? Maybe some but probably not all. But it would let me know if I have to file a stolen package claim or should wait on the package for a few more days. Plus it has been doubling as a trail camera for the local fauna I had no idea came by so frequently. It faces private property only as it is set up.

If I were a robber knowing everyone has cameras, wouldn’t I just wear a mask?

Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

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Post by nindalf »

This news article boils down to "a few people on reddit did something", which is interesting. But we know reddit and HN are definitely not mainstream.

Is this hurting Amazon? No, it is not. As long as they're honouring return requests freely, you know that the number of returns is within their accepted levels of distressed inventory. If it's getting into uncomfortable territory, they'll start rate limiting people by saying they're past the return window, or they should try again after a week.

If Amazon's return policy changes, that'll be much more interesting to see. But chances are, people forget about this in a month and their sales are unaffected. This may go the way of #deleteUber, #deleteFacebook and similar boycott campaigns - minor blips at best.

Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

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Post by ToucanLoucan »

gosub100 wrote: post #151
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And, you know, if it was actually mobilized to find lost puppies, I'd be all for that shit. But that's not what it's for. It's for helping cops find poor people, or ICE find Mexicans, or whatever bullshit is making the headlines in 4 weeks. FWIW, I don't like being a tech downer/skeptic, but every fucking thing is like this now. Every social media is being turned into surveillance. Every cloud-based application, no m…

> Christofascists It's not a partisan issue. From leftist utopias to god-fearing Texan ranch lands, the police are abusing power and harassing innocent people. Trying to bring religion and partisanship (in one word, even) doesn't help your message.

> It's not a partisan issue.

I'm sorry I'm having a hard time remembering the role leftists are playing in the US right now what with the Executive, Congressional and Judicial branches all being stacked to the tits with Republicans, right up to the top with our dementia-addled conman of a president, sleepily signing into law the policies that will see us excised as the center of world economics.

Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

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Post by tomrod »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #139
serial_dev wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was an ad, how the Ring cameras can organize a "search party" for your "puppies", basically turning the whole neighborhood into a surveillance operation. Even though they wrapped the whole big brother feature into "sad little girl lost their cute puppy", it was too obvious. Ad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OheUzrXsKrY With that said, I'm not sure it will have any long term effect on them... sure some people…

And, you know, if it was actually mobilized to find lost puppies, I'd be all for that shit. But that's not what it's for. It's for helping cops find poor people, or ICE find Mexicans, or whatever bullshit is making the headlines in 4 weeks. FWIW, I don't like being a tech downer/skeptic, but every fucking thing is like this now. Every social media is being turned into surveillance. Every cloud-based application, no m…

Re: your edit... Who are you responding to??

I don't see Ring as a politics problem, I see it as a policy problem. Just because something is legal in the federated, ad hoc instance doesn't mean it is advisable to systematize.

Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

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Post by assimpleaspossi »

mingus88 wrote: post #116
Sharlin wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being recorded while on public property is not illegal in many jurisdictions, but it's certainly iffy and should not be normalized. Any cameras should be directed so that they're exclusively aimed at your own property.

Counterpoint: everyone needs to own their own video streams I hate it, but you are being recorded everywhere you go. Your plates and your face get scanned every single day, all day long. This is normalized. Privacy is dead. You will never get access to any of that data when you need it. It is not there to help you. You need to keep your own evidence of the world around you; you never know when you will need it.

What happens to everyone when the plates and faces are recorded or scanned? Who is looking at those every day?

Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

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Post by assimpleaspossi »

UltraSane wrote: post #27
ulrikrasmussen wrote: post #9

Good. But people should not have pointed cameras into public spaces and live streamed everything to the cloud to begin with. Walking past a house with a camera doorbell makes me really uncomfortable, like I'm being watched.

The world is going to be filled with millions of cameras using AI to analyze the video in real time.

And then what?

Re: Ring owners are returning their cameras

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Post by gosub100 »

lopis wrote: post #89
tokyobreakfast wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In their defense, Redditors returning a throwaway piece of electronics then posting about it is probably the biggest sense of accomplishment they'll get all month. It takes a special level of delusion to think you're pulling one over on the billion-dollar company who just paid millions to advertise this capability during the Super Bowl as if everyone didn't already know. Hasn't Ring been sharing video with law enforc…

That's one reason why being in a Reddit bubble is dangerous. Reddit always seems to be boycotting something (including Reddit itself), but those boycotts rarely led anywhere. Then news websites pick up on Reddit as a source of news and the rest is echo effect.

Several years ago, there was the controversy about the guy who made Reddit Enhancement Suite getting his API access cut off. Everyone was on his side and I remember thinking "this guy could create his own reddit, he could literally steal all the users, similarly to how slashdot mass migration to reddit".

Maybe he realized it and wasn't interested, but man that would have been an epic move, by using their teen angst and have a hundred million active users overnight.

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