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Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Post by CalRobert »

badc0ffee wrote: post #61
paul7986 wrote: post #11

Dublin's Grafton Street with it's buskers is and was so unique to this American. I wondered if anywhere else in the world matches the musicianship heard on that street and in Dublin's bars? Music is engrained in it's culture in a way I have not experienced before(tho the weird looks I received wearing my baseball cap in Dublin was off putting as I had not experienced that in Berlin, Paris, Reykjavik, Amsterdamn, etc)…

I need to hear more about the baseball cap thing.

Especially since Yankees hats are EXTREMELY common in Dublin.

Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Post by CalRobert »

s_dev wrote: post #211
tomcam wrote: post #144

I don’t get it. Why are artists more deserving than unemployed insurance salespeople or carpet installers?

Irish here. It's a cultural thing. Ireland is the only country in the world whose national symbol is a musical instrument. Art is seen as a worthwhile endeavour even if it can't necessarily support itself as a private endeavour. It's for the same reason galleries and museums are subsidised by the government. Anyone can call themselves an artist but to receive this money you would have to have a portfolio of work that…

This seems like it mostly funnels money to rich kids, to be honest. Nobody else can afford to already be an artist.

Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Post by Daub »

GaryNumanVevo wrote: post #197
Daub wrote: post #183

Artist speaking. A similar scheme was employed by Holland for many years. The state committed to buy at least one artwork from each artist per year and predictably their warehouses became filled with crap art that no one wanted. That being said, wise governments recognize the value of some kind of support of the arts. One reason for the incredible esteem that Korean culture is held in within Asia is the Korean govern…

> crap art that no one wanted. Through the kunstuitleen they leased and sold art to galleries and private homes. It was like a library for contemporary art which paid struggling artists and their families, while also exposing the public to more art. To say that "no one wanted" is a massively overblown. Thousands of art pieces lived happily in many Dutch homes.

OK, maybe my use of that phrase was a bit ill-judged. However, aside from supporting artists, what did the initiative achieve? Keeping artists off the dole should not be, IMHO, a goal in itself. The reputation of Dutch culture at the time was not brilliant, though neither was it bad. A strategic attitude would have been more effective... maybe target one or two artists and promote them.

The Young British Artists (YBA) boom of the 80s was a product of the innovative teaching environment of Goldsmiths' college plus the drive of people like Damien Hirst, who organized the ground-breaking Freeze exhibition. The British Council did their best to capitalize on this.

Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Post by RupertSalt »

In the United States, the National Endowment for the Arts has issued more than 128,000 grants, totaling more than $5 billion, to fund the projects of American artists. These subsidies have not lacked controversy, and were eventually challenged at the Supreme Court level, during the Clinton administration.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Endowment_for_the_Art...

If you or your parents would like to sample a NSFW taste of your tax dollars at work, try this deep cut from Plaintiff Karen Finley: https://youtu.be/5gk6JCeGExo?si=FEqZtLlDiQDr0_XI

What criteria of artistic merit, cultural relevance, and common decency will Irish artists need to meet, in order to qualify for their basic income?

Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Post by computerthings »

calvinmorrison wrote: post #159
shimman wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure if you asked the average tax payer they would prefer programs like these rather than corporate welfare nonsense. So yeah, seems alright to me. I'm a tax payer.

i purchase a hell of a lot more stuff from Walmart than I do fine art.

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Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Post by its_magic »

baseballdork wrote: post #149
its_magic wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The subject of this conversation is your desire to rob me.

No, it's about your viewpoint on taxation and how it's a pointless task to try and reason with a person that takes that stance. "Respecting the lives of others" doesn't preclude taxation to any rational person.

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Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Post by Retric »

CalRobert wrote: post #232
s_dev wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Irish here. It's a cultural thing. Ireland is the only country in the world whose national symbol is a musical instrument. Art is seen as a worthwhile endeavour even if it can't necessarily support itself as a private endeavour. It's for the same reason galleries and museums are subsidised by the government. Anyone can call themselves an artist but to receive this money you would have to have a portfolio of work that…

This seems like it mostly funnels money to rich kids, to be honest. Nobody else can afford to already be an artist.

Working artists, spouses, and semi-retirees are relatively common.

‘2,000 creative workers’ would make this quite competitive, even if it’s only 20k USD/year that could easily enable people to be artists who wouldn’t make a career of it on their own.

Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Post by computerthings »

testaccount28 wrote: post #166
shimman wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes and do billion dollar corporations really need that much government subsidies? Turns out yes they do, but sure enjoy your plastic trinkets from China I guess. Hopefully you thank a tax payer that pays for the welfare and medicaid of those Walmart workers, and the local town for cheaper property taxes and utility rates at Walmart. God knows Walmart couldn't exist with all this rampant welfare.

walmart solves a major logistical problem: provide government subsidized goods to low income neighborhoods. the government should like to give walmart money, as it is plausibly a cost-effective way to provide these goods to people who need them. the administrators of walmart are well rewarded for providing this public good.

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