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Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Post by its_magic »

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #102
baseballdork wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still cannot see how you get that impression.

I don't see much of a point in replying with this comment. It reads like your point is "I don't understand your perspective so it must be wrong", which is folly. If you're looking for a suggestion of how to gain such an understanding, I've certainly got one of those: put more effort into arguing in favor of perspectives you disagree with. Not only will it help you to understand the disagreeable point of view, it will…

Your perspective is you want to take my hard-earned money and give it to some pothead to sit at home and "do artwork."

My perspective is I'd rather keep my weed money to myself.

And that's exactly what I shall do. Want to fight about it?

Your plans to rob society even more than your ilk already do are selfish, idiotic, and will end in ruin--deservedly so.

I have spoken.

Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Post by themafia »

Schmerika wrote: post #124
themafia wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It also recouped more than the trial's net cost of 72 million euros ($86 million) through [...] and reduced reliance on other social welfare payments, Which sounds quite a bit like "we spent more on one type of welfare so we ended up spending less on a different type of welfare." Which, okay, good, but I don't think you can say you "recouped" anything.

If you want to criticize the study, it would be best to actually read the method rather than make assumptions.

Would you happen to have a link to that?

Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Post by nv2156 »

ElevenLathe wrote: post #105

This is admittedly a tangent, but I love that British (and apparently Irish) government programs are commonly called "schemes". To American ears, it always sounds like some grand confidence trick is being pulled.

In India too, discounts and promotional policies are commonly called 'schemes.' I learned the hard way that in the US, the word has a negative connotation when I asked my rental office about any 'schemes,' they looked at me with total shock.

Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Post by crossbody »

tomcam wrote: post #144

I don’t get it. Why are artists more deserving than unemployed insurance salespeople or carpet installers?

Anyone can become an artist with no skill and minimal effort while being a carpet installer requires skill and effort. If you are a carpet installer just call it art and get the money

Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Post by crossbody »

socalgal2 wrote: post #146
tomcam wrote: post #144

I don’t get it. Why are artists more deserving than unemployed insurance salespeople or carpet installers?

Agreed. Can just all myself an artist to get other people's tax money?

there is art in getting other people's tax money, so yes

Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Post by baseballdork »

its_magic wrote: post #142
baseballdork wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not sure why you believe I don’t

The subject of this conversation is your desire to rob me.

No, it's about your viewpoint on taxation and how it's a pointless task to try and reason with a person that takes that stance. "Respecting the lives of others" doesn't preclude taxation to any rational person.

Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Post by loeg »

Jblx2 wrote: post #115
Legend2440 wrote: post #76

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Taxation and inflation are 2nd order effects. There's a deeper underlying reason. The point of work is to produce the things we need to live. Somebody's gotta grow the crops, drive the trucks, mop the floors, crunch the numbers, process the paperwork, write the code, whatever. If you offer enough UBI for people to live without working... the work won't get done, and things we need won't get made.

Has anyone ever tried to look at the concept of a Universal Basic Job? If you can show up semi-sober, you get paid to paint over graffiti, or pick up trash along the road, or something.

This is kinda what minimum wage jobs are? You could say depression era WPA/CCC programs were an example of a government providing this.
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