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Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Post by KittenInABox »

paul7986 wrote: post #11

Dublin's Grafton Street with it's buskers is and was so unique to this American. I wondered if anywhere else in the world matches the musicianship heard on that street and in Dublin's bars? Music is engrained in it's culture in a way I have not experienced before(tho the weird looks I received wearing my baseball cap in Dublin was off putting as I had not experienced that in Berlin, Paris, Reykjavik, Amsterdamn, etc)…

Busking and live music is definitely still around. Especially in larger cities. I agree that the neighborhood bar scene sucks but that's more an issue that everyone has to drive home. Once you get to a place with good transportation or a downtown hub it all comes roaring back.

Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Post by its_magic »

EGreg wrote: post #20
sejje wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The term universal isn't used in the article.

All these places use the word UNCONDITIONAL instead of UNIVERSAL because they are scared of printing money and paying all their citizens, while jacking up pigovian taxes on the other side. Here is how to do it properly without waiting for the federal government and currency: https://community.intercoin.app/t/rolling-out-voluntary-basi...

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Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Post by mantas »

bell-cot wrote: post #14
yesfitz wrote: post #10

Previous discussions: 3 months ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45590900 4 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29977176 People have seemed critical of the presentation, scope, and goal of this program. (e.g. It's not "universal" basic income, the number of recipients is limited to 2,000, and why are artists being subsidized instead of essential workers?) Now it seems that we'll get some real worl…

> and why are artists being subsidized instead of essential workers? There are far more than 2,000 real, paying jobs for schoolteachers. And for grocery clerks. And for nurses. And for fire fighters. And for drivers of rubbish lorries. And for ... Not so much for the folks who hope to be the next James Joyce or Louis le Brocquy.

Those can go and do normal jobs like grocery clerks. While doing their art in free time. Like many famous artists were doing.

Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Post by its_magic »

oulipo2 wrote: post #24
Legend2440 wrote: post #5

>pledging to pay 2,000 creative workers 325 euros ($387) per week >The randomly selected applicants will receive the payments for three years, after which they would not be eligible for the next three-year cycle. Is it really correct to call this UBI? It is hardly universal if it applies to only 2000 selected artists. Seems more like a 3-year grant, similar to the art grants awarded by the national endowment for the…

And? that's what "rolling out" is about, to test and gradually use the scheme if it works

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Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Post by its_magic »

sam_lowry_ wrote: post #16
bell-cot wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and why are artists being subsidized instead of essential workers? There are far more than 2,000 real, paying jobs for schoolteachers. And for grocery clerks. And for nurses. And for fire fighters. And for drivers of rubbish lorries. And for ... Not so much for the folks who hope to be the next James Joyce or Louis le Brocquy.

I hope to be the next Rothshild, give me a trillion!

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Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Post by paul7986 »

colmmacc wrote: post #26
paul7986 wrote: post #11

Dublin's Grafton Street with it's buskers is and was so unique to this American. I wondered if anywhere else in the world matches the musicianship heard on that street and in Dublin's bars? Music is engrained in it's culture in a way I have not experienced before(tho the weird looks I received wearing my baseball cap in Dublin was off putting as I had not experienced that in Berlin, Paris, Reykjavik, Amsterdamn, etc)…

Grafton St buskers at their best are really really good, but there are also some very average buskers there every day too. New Orleans is a stand-out in the US where you can find world-class jazz bands playing on the streets. Nashville has plenty in the evenings, and then you can find hot spots in some cities. I've seen regular buskers in Boston, Seattle, Sarasota, and Boulder - usually in pedestrianized touristy qua…

Guess it's Dublin's bar culture and vibe that really stood out to me. I've been to the French Quarter yet don't recall almost everyone in each bar there singing along to their local musicians. Musicians who are really good to great like in Dublin's bars I experienced in December.

Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

its_magic wrote: post #32
EGreg wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All these places use the word UNCONDITIONAL instead of UNIVERSAL because they are scared of printing money and paying all their citizens, while jacking up pigovian taxes on the other side. Here is how to do it properly without waiting for the federal government and currency: https://community.intercoin.app/t/rolling-out-voluntary-basi...

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Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Post by philipwhiuk »

its_magic wrote: post #34
oulipo2 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And? that's what "rolling out" is about, to test and gradually use the scheme if it works

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> robbery: the action of taking property unlawfully from a person or place by force or threat of force.

The language of Shakespeare and Seuss deserves better than this mindlessness. It is not robbery because it is not unlawful.

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