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Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Post by paul7986 »

Dublin's Grafton Street with it's buskers is and was so unique to this American. I wondered if anywhere else in the world matches the musicianship heard on that street and in Dublin's bars? Music is engrained in it's culture in a way I have not experienced before(tho the weird looks I received wearing my baseball cap in Dublin was off putting as I had not experienced that in Berlin, Paris, Reykjavik, Amsterdamn, etc).

Overall It's a bit sad going to American bars and not hearing the whole bar singing along to the musician up on stage. Amercia's culture I feel is way more focused on celebrity then musicianship.

Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Post by Jtsummers »

OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #2

> Ireland's Culture Minister Patrick O'Donovan said the scheme was the first permanent one of its kind in the world [...] The randomly selected applicants will receive the payments for three years, after which they would not be eligible for the next three-year cycle. So it's permanent, but the recipients don't get it permanently?

The program was run as a trial (time limited, not permanent). They've now made it a permanent program (no time limit, not temporary).

So to answer your question: Yes, it's permanent (or as permanent as any gov't program can be), but the recipients don't get the money for an indefinite span of time (permanently).

Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Post by SPICLK2 »

Legend2440 wrote: post #5

>pledging to pay 2,000 creative workers 325 euros ($387) per week >The randomly selected applicants will receive the payments for three years, after which they would not be eligible for the next three-year cycle. Is it really correct to call this UBI? It is hardly universal if it applies to only 2000 selected artists. Seems more like a 3-year grant, similar to the art grants awarded by the national endowment for the…

They've re-branded for the release, and removed "Universal".

Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Post by bell-cot »

yesfitz wrote: post #10

Previous discussions: 3 months ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45590900 4 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29977176 People have seemed critical of the presentation, scope, and goal of this program. (e.g. It's not "universal" basic income, the number of recipients is limited to 2,000, and why are artists being subsidized instead of essential workers?) Now it seems that we'll get some real worl…

> and why are artists being subsidized instead of essential workers?

There are far more than 2,000 real, paying jobs for schoolteachers. And for grocery clerks. And for nurses. And for fire fighters. And for drivers of rubbish lorries. And for ...

Not so much for the folks who hope to be the next James Joyce or Louis le Brocquy.

Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Post by TitaRusell »

They had something like this in the Netherlands during the 80s. Basically everyone was out of a job back then so it didn't really matter. Worst recession since 1929.

Artists had to make a buch of art which was then given to the government. The state ended up with entire warehouses filled with crap.

Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Post by sam_lowry_ »

bell-cot wrote: post #14
yesfitz wrote: post #10

Previous discussions: 3 months ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45590900 4 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29977176 People have seemed critical of the presentation, scope, and goal of this program. (e.g. It's not "universal" basic income, the number of recipients is limited to 2,000, and why are artists being subsidized instead of essential workers?) Now it seems that we'll get some real worl…

> and why are artists being subsidized instead of essential workers? There are far more than 2,000 real, paying jobs for schoolteachers. And for grocery clerks. And for nurses. And for fire fighters. And for drivers of rubbish lorries. And for ... Not so much for the folks who hope to be the next James Joyce or Louis le Brocquy.

I hope to be the next Rothshild, give me a trillion!

Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Post by ericmcer »

OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #2

> Ireland's Culture Minister Patrick O'Donovan said the scheme was the first permanent one of its kind in the world [...] The randomly selected applicants will receive the payments for three years, after which they would not be eligible for the next three-year cycle. So it's permanent, but the recipients don't get it permanently?

Won't this kind of shaft their employment prospects as well?

Other industries don't move as fast but a 3 year layoff in tech could be a career death sentence.

Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Post by mikkupikku »

Imnimo wrote: post #18

>The randomly selected applicants Why would you want to randomly select here?

That's the best way to do it. Otherwise all the money will go to the rich brat children of politicians/etc who are socially connected to whoever they put on the selection committees.

Re: Ireland rolls out basic income scheme for artists

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Post by EGreg »

sejje wrote: post #8
Legend2440 wrote: post #5

>pledging to pay 2,000 creative workers 325 euros ($387) per week >The randomly selected applicants will receive the payments for three years, after which they would not be eligible for the next three-year cycle. Is it really correct to call this UBI? It is hardly universal if it applies to only 2000 selected artists. Seems more like a 3-year grant, similar to the art grants awarded by the national endowment for the…

The term universal isn't used in the article.

All these places use the word UNCONDITIONAL instead of UNIVERSAL because they are scared of printing money and paying all their citizens, while jacking up pigovian taxes on the other side.

Here is how to do it properly without waiting for the federal government and currency: https://community.intercoin.app/t/rolling-out-voluntary-basi...

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