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OpenClaw is what Apple intelligence should have been

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Re: OpenClaw is what Apple intelligence should have been

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Clicking `Submit` is easiest step of sending email / filling taxes. All steps before it are reversible, and reviewable. Bigger problem is attacker tricking your agent to leak your emails / financial data that your agent has access to.

I worry we'll click "Submit" as fast as we click "I accept the terms and conditions."

Of course we would!

How in the world can you double check the AI-generated tax filing without going back and preparing your taxes by hand?

You might skim an ai-written email.

Re: OpenClaw is what Apple intelligence should have been

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I don’t believe this was ever confirmed by Apple, but there was widespread speculation at the time[1] that the delay was due to the very prompt injection attacks OpenClaw users are now discovering. It would be genuinely catastrophic to ship an insecure system with this kind of data access, even with an ‘unsafe mode’. These kinds of risks can only be _consented to_ by technical people who correctly understand them, le…

Exactly. Apple operates at a scale where it's very difficult to deploy this technology for its sexy applications. The tech is simply too broken and flawed at this point. (Whatever Apple does deploy, you can bet it will be heavily guardrailed.) With ~2.5 billion devices in active use, they can't take the Tesla approach of letting AI drive cars into fire trucks.

Regardless of how Apple will solve this, please just solve it. Siri is borderline useless these days.

> Will it rain today? Please unlock your iphone for that

> Any new messages from Chris? You will need to unlock your iphone for that

> Please play youtube music Playing youtube music... please open youtube music app to do that

All settings and permission granted. Utterly painful.

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>It would put real skin in the game for getting security right. lol,no, you don't "put skin in the game for getting security right" by launching an obviously insecure thing. that's ridiculous. you get security right by actually doing something to address the security concerns.

It is impossible to address all of the concerns, and it is impossible to predict what concerns may even exist. It will require mass deployment to fully understand the implications of it.

Implications are straightforward. You are giving unfettered access to your digital life to a software system that is vulnerable to the normal vulnerabilities plus social engineering vulnerabilities because it is attempting to use human language, and the way you prevent those is apparently writing sternly worded markdown files that we hope it won't ignore.

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> I suspect ten years from now, people will look back at 2024-2025 as the moment Apple had a clear shot at owning the agent layer and chose not to take it Ten years from now, there will be no ‘agent layer’. This is like predicting Microsoft failed to capitalize on bulletin boards social media.

Ten years from now, the agent layer will be the interface the majority of people use a computer through. Operating systems will become more agentic and absorb the application layer while platforms like Claude Cowork will try to become the omniapp. They’ll meet in the middle and it will be like Microsoft trying to fight Netscape’s view of the web as the omniapp all over again. Apple will either capitalise on this by m…

I think in 10 years your pc will be more locked down than your iPhone.

Re: OpenClaw is what Apple intelligence should have been

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As mentioned here already, Lately Apple is about taking existing ideas and introducing them as new features. (At least in Tim Cook’s era, only exception is Apple silicon)

Especially in the “AI game”. Just yesterday Xcode got fuller agent support for coding way later than most IDEs.

I’d expect some sort of Shortcuts integration in the near future. There’s already Apple Foundation Models available to some extent with Shortcuts. I’m pretty sure they’ll improve it and use shortcuts for agentic workflows.

Having said all that, Maybe it’s my age. I think currently things are over-hyped

- Language models running in huge centers are still not sustainable. So even if you pay a few cents, it’s still running over capital fumes.

- it’s still a mixed bag. I guess it might be useful in terms of profession because like managing people to produce the desired result, you need skills to properly get desired results from AI. In that sense, fully automated agent filing my tax still feels concerning to me if later I won’t have coverage if something was off.

- on-device, this is where Apple shines hardware wise and I personally find it as more intriguing.

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Why would it need more than 1? Couldn't they do this with any Mac with an Apple account?

It appears he is selling a service where he comes to you (optionally with a Mac Mini which is probably why he's buying multiple) and sets up OpenClaw for you.

That truly cant be it right? This is like satire? How much do you even charge for that?

Re: OpenClaw is what Apple intelligence should have been

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> This is exactly what Apple Intelligence should have been... They could have shipped an agentic AI that actually automated your computer instead of summarizing your notifications. Imagine if Siri could genuinely file your taxes, respond to emails, or manage your calendar by actually using your apps, not through some brittle API layer that breaks every update. And this is probably coming, a few years from now. Becaus…

> Because remember, Apple doesn't usually invent new products. It takes proven ones and then makes its own much nicer version.

Funny seeing this repeated again in response to Siri which is just... not very good.

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