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OpenClaw is what Apple intelligence should have been

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Re: OpenClaw is what Apple intelligence should have been

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Post by techpression »

treetalker wrote: post #167
crazygringo wrote: post #10

> This is exactly what Apple Intelligence should have been... They could have shipped an agentic AI that actually automated your computer instead of summarizing your notifications. Imagine if Siri could genuinely file your taxes, respond to emails, or manage your calendar by actually using your apps, not through some brittle API layer that breaks every update. And this is probably coming, a few years from now. Becaus…

>> Imagine if Siri could genuinely file your taxes Imagine if the government would just tell everyone how much they owed and obviated the need for effing literal artificial intelligence to get taxes done! >> respond to emails If we have an AI that can respond properly to emails, then the email doesn't need to be sent in the first place. (Indeed, many do not need to be sent nowadays either!)

Yeah the whole filing taxes thing is an epic XY-problem. Governments can make this as easy as a digital signature, there’s zero need for an agent of any kind.

Actually most of the things people use it for is of this kind, instead actually solving the problem (which is out of scope for them to be fair) it’s just adding more things on top that can go wrong.

Re: OpenClaw is what Apple intelligence should have been

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Post by rbbydotdev »

While it's debatable if Apple would release something outright as encompassing and complete as OpenClaw, they should have helped developers and builders to build something similar themselves.

This could have come in any form, a platform as the author points out for instance.

I have a couple of ideas, how about a permissions kit? Something where before or during you sign off on permissions. Or how about locked down execution sandboxes specifically for agentic loops? Also - why is there not yet (or ever?) a model trained on their development code/forums/manuals/data?

Before OpenClaw, I could see the writing on the wall. The ai ecosystem is not congruent to Apple's walled garden. In many ways because they have turned their backs on those 'misfits' their early ad-copy praised.

This 'misfit' mentality is what I like so much about the OpenClaw community. It was visible from it's very beginning with the devil-may-care disregard for privacy and security.

Re: OpenClaw is what Apple intelligence should have been

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Post by karlshea »

koolala wrote: post #146
lanakei wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably the Mac Mini. A few OpenClaw users are buying the agent a dedicated device so that it can integrate with their Apple account. For example: https://x.com/michael_chomsky/status/2017686846910959668 .

Why would it need more than 1? Couldn't they do this with any Mac with an Apple account?

It appears he is selling a service where he comes to you (optionally with a Mac Mini which is probably why he's buying multiple) and sets up OpenClaw for you.

Re: OpenClaw is what Apple intelligence should have been

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Post by jb1991 »

neumann wrote: post #65
Telemakhos wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple's niche product, consisting of like 1-4% of computer sales compared to its dominant MacBook line, is now flying off the shelf as a highly desired product, because of a piece of software that Apple didn't spend a dime developing. This sounds like a major win for Apple. The OS maker does not have to make all the killer software. In fact, Apple's pretty much the only game in town that's making hardware and softwar…

What are you referring to?

The entire point of the article is about the Mac mini sales flying through the roof because of this.

Re: OpenClaw is what Apple intelligence should have been

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Post by rbbydotdev »

tzury wrote: post #176

The notion that if it is good then the big-ones should have done it is the complete opposite of innovation, startups and entrepreneurial culture. Reality is the exact opposite. Young, innovative, rebellions, often hyper motivated folks are sprinting from idea to implementation, while executives are “told by a few colleagues” that something new, “the future-of foo” is raising up. If you use openclaw then that’s fantas…

> is kind of entitlement blogging that I have nearly zero respect for.

Maybe the author left out something very real. Apple is a walled-garden monopoly with a locked-down ecosystem and even devices. They are also not alone in this. As far as innovation goes, these companies stifle innovation. Demanding more from these companies is not entitlement.

Re: OpenClaw is what Apple intelligence should have been

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Post by eykanal »

midtake wrote: post #183
eykanal wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ...Apple doesn't usually invent new products. It takes proven ones and then makes its own much nicer version. While this was true about ten years ago, it's been a while since we've seen this model of software development from Apple succeed in recent years. I'm not at all confident that the Apple that gave us Mac OS 26 is capable of doing this anymore.

Best privacy in computers, ADP, and M-series chips mean nothing to you? To me, Apple is the last bastion of sanity in a world where user hostility is the norm.

As said elsewhere, success in hardware does not translate to success in software.

Privacy is definitely good but it's not at all an example of the success mentioned in the parent comment. It's deep in the company culture.

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