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Young adults report lower life satisfaction in Sweden

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Re: Young adults report lower life satisfaction in Sweden

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

leflambeur wrote: post #70
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #65

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Does it matter? Based upon the poster I responded to, it appears to be only the belief that's important, not the being.

If such being does exist, then how could it possibly not matter? If there's an architect and we are the architect's creation, then how could our belief alone be the important thing?

That's immaterial to the discussion. The comment I replied to simply stated: "Displacing God as the center of life." They aren't arguing that god matters, it's our displacement of them.

So, on the existence of god, we have two possiblities: God does exist, god doesn't exist.

1. If god doesn't exist, then we're unhappy because we're displacing a false god as the center of life.

2. If god does exist, then we're unhappy because we're displacing a real god as the center of life.

In that discussion, god's existence in fact doesn't matter, it leads to the same outcome.

Re: Young adults report lower life satisfaction in Sweden

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Post by daotoad »

PassingClouds wrote: post #49
bojan wrote: post #9

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I'd blame the ever decreasing ratio between salaries and the cost of living. And the fact that salaries don't really grow for years now, while the productivity, and so the generated wealth, does.

I have said for a long time that if housing was cheaper, that is a good start to getting other thing under control. It gives folks a target to hit for stability. Once a bit more stable, it frees up opportunities to address other issues. I say this as a home owner, let the market crash, I dont care what my house is valued as it is an asset not an investment.

The problem is most people won't take that attitude. For most homeowners, the home is the largest asset.

This is a Catch 22 for elected officials. We must reduce housing costs dramatically if we do so, we will devalue significant assets of a large number of active voters and political contributors.

I'd love to see some ideas on how to pull this off, because we need them.

Re: Young adults report lower life satisfaction in Sweden

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Post by leflambeur »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #71
leflambeur wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If such being does exist, then how could it possibly not matter? If there's an architect and we are the architect's creation, then how could our belief alone be the important thing?

That's immaterial to the discussion. The comment I replied to simply stated: "Displacing God as the center of life." They aren't arguing that god matters, it's our displacement of them. So, on the existence of god, we have two possiblities: God does exist, god doesn't exist. 1. If god doesn't exist, then we're unhappy because we're displacing a false god as the center of life. 2. If god does exist, then we're unhappy…

That is very much not immaterial.

If God does exist and is our creator, then we're designed to recognize him (at least to strive to, or have some innate need to); failing to do so or radically abdicating from this need would lead to disaster.

In other words, in the God-exists scenario, we are not merely observers of a phenomenon who can be detached from it.

Re: Young adults report lower life satisfaction in Sweden

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

leflambeur wrote: post #73
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's immaterial to the discussion. The comment I replied to simply stated: "Displacing God as the center of life." They aren't arguing that god matters, it's our displacement of them. So, on the existence of god, we have two possiblities: God does exist, god doesn't exist. 1. If god doesn't exist, then we're unhappy because we're displacing a false god as the center of life. 2. If god does exist, then we're unhappy…

That is very much not immaterial. If God does exist and is our creator, then we're designed to recognize him (at least to strive to, or have some innate need to); failing to do so or radically abdicating from this need would lead to disaster. In other words, in the God-exists scenario, we are not merely observers of a phenomenon who can be detached from it.

But that framing only really works if we assume a Abrahamic world view.

Other cultures don't and didn't relate to their deities in the same way. Do we then have to assume they all suffered lower life satisfaction than a 11th century German peasant because of their detachment from a singular god the creator? Why didn't they strive for the relationship you're describing?

Trying to put God with a capital G at the center of our lives as some innate need doesn't make sense from a historical context.

Re: Young adults report lower life satisfaction in Sweden

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Post by MisterTea »

weirdmantis69 wrote: post #32
pjerem wrote: post #30

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Sorry but that’s just not true. You learn about what happens in Sweden because statistically it never happens. On the other hand, the rest of the world never know about the latest bi-monthly school shooting in the US.

Sorry but it is true, almost entirely because of immigration. https://dragonflyintelligence.com/news/sweden-gang-bombings-... Wishing it away doesn't make it any less true.

That article says nothing of immigration though.

Re: Young adults report lower life satisfaction in Sweden

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Post by S_Bear »

dinobones wrote: post #57
kridsdale1 wrote: post #40

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They didn’t passively exist during it. They implemented it. They are culpable.

There are 67 million baby boomers in the US. How can you rationally blame them all? Roughly 20% of the population. Saying the "boomers ruined everything" is not sophisticated, we can't move forward from a blame game, we have to diagnose the actions and actors that implemented them, but of course this is much more challenging. Ancedotally, I know plenty of poor boomers. Have you seen who works at a Dollar Tree lately?…

My parents are poor boomers, but if they had to live as I do, they'd be rich boomers. They have no financial discipline and burned through cash like crazy. If they would have saved even a little bit in the 80s and 90s, they'd be in a much better situation.

Re: Young adults report lower life satisfaction in Sweden

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Post by gamblor956 »

weirdmantis69 wrote: post #32
pjerem wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry but that’s just not true. You learn about what happens in Sweden because statistically it never happens. On the other hand, the rest of the world never know about the latest bi-monthly school shooting in the US.

Sorry but it is true, almost entirely because of immigration. https://dragonflyintelligence.com/news/sweden-gang-bombings-... Wishing it away doesn't make it any less true.

Today i learned that Sweden is blaming immigrants for crimes committed by native born Swedes.

Sweden has always had a fairly high crime rate. Immigrants didn't make it worse, but blaming them just made an existing problem more visible.

Re: Young adults report lower life satisfaction in Sweden

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Post by leflambeur »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #74
leflambeur wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is very much not immaterial. If God does exist and is our creator, then we're designed to recognize him (at least to strive to, or have some innate need to); failing to do so or radically abdicating from this need would lead to disaster. In other words, in the God-exists scenario, we are not merely observers of a phenomenon who can be detached from it.

But that framing only really works if we assume a Abrahamic world view. Other cultures don't and didn't relate to their deities in the same way. Do we then have to assume they all suffered lower life satisfaction than a 11th century German peasant because of their detachment from a singular god the creator? Why didn't they strive for the relationship you're describing? Trying to put God with a capital G at the center…

That’s not what we’d have to assume.

I don’t know about religions in the general sense, and you’re right to point out that I very much have the “Abrahamic world view”, though my case is much much more specific than that but that’s not relevant here.

What we might more safely assume is that the Creator is revealed through history and a group to whom it he’s not revealed might pursue him more ignorantly (I appreciate the language might sound offensive or condescending but that’s not the intention) but in that pursuit they’re still better off than someone who willfully rejects him.

This I believe is relevant to the post, as these societies have not gone from one god to another, but to none.

Re: Young adults report lower life satisfaction in Sweden

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Post by darth_avocado »

palmotea wrote: post #51
darth_avocado wrote: post #44

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> It's not like they actively took more than they "should have" from anyone directly And who do you think exactly contributed to the over financialization of everything? Every single thing, good or bad, is a direct result of the actions of the generation before. We can thank them for creating a world where women get to vote but also criticize them for creating a world where everything costs a million dollars and all…

> And who do you think exactly contributed to the over financialization of everything? Every single thing, good or bad, is a direct result of the actions of the generation before. Some elements of the generation before. It's is exceedingly unhelpful the blame an entire generation for the actions of a few. There were some elite people with a plan, many more who bought the propaganda they were served, and a lot who had…

> It's is exceedingly unhelpful the blame an entire generation for the actions of a few.

The unfortunate reality is that every generation has the power to change things if they want to. Shifting the blame to the actions of the few is an easy way to absolve yourself of the blame. Who allows the few to take those actions? How did those few come into power to be able to take those actions? Once the actions were taken, why were they not corrected if the entire generation disagreed with them?

Maybe in the future the generations will blame my generation for a bunch of wrongs, even if I personally may not have contributed to those wrongs, I will still share the burden of not doing enough to prevent it.

Re: Young adults report lower life satisfaction in Sweden

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

leflambeur wrote: post #78
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But that framing only really works if we assume a Abrahamic world view. Other cultures don't and didn't relate to their deities in the same way. Do we then have to assume they all suffered lower life satisfaction than a 11th century German peasant because of their detachment from a singular god the creator? Why didn't they strive for the relationship you're describing? Trying to put God with a capital G at the center…

That’s not what we’d have to assume. I don’t know about religions in the general sense, and you’re right to point out that I very much have the “Abrahamic world view”, though my case is much much more specific than that but that’s not relevant here. What we might more safely assume is that the Creator is revealed through history and a group to whom it he’s not revealed might pursue him more ignorantly (I appreciate t…

That's a lot of assumptions, and really only make sense if you're trying to put your own beliefs as the "correct" choice. Somehow, all these other cultures got it wrong, but the ones who believe one single god, they got it right.

> This I believe is relevant to the post, as these societies have not gone from one god to another, but to none.

I don't know what you mean by this. Particular God's importance rose and fell out of fashion in ancient societies.

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