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The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Post by kmoser »

what wrote: post #380
paxys wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Real ID/Drivers License being a proof of address is laughable. In my state (NY) they accept the following as proof of address for getting a new Real ID: - Bank statement - Pay stub - Utility bill - Any other state ID with the same last name, which I can claim is my parent or spouse. I can change my mailing address on any of them with a few clicks online, no actual verification needed. What they do NOT accept as proof…

> I can change my mailing address on any of them with a few clicks online, no actual verification needed. Yes, but you’d have to be able to retrieve mail from that address?

Why, when you can access your bill online and print it?

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Post by jackjeff »

diblasio wrote: post #402
chaboud wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to have a Sikh manager who wore a turban. Whenever we traveled together, he would get "randomly" stopped. While they were patting him down, he would inevitably chuckle and say something like "So what are the odds of being 'randomly' selected 27 times in a row?" I don't know the specifics of the process for selection, but I can confidently say that the process is bigoted.

Same thing used to happen to me when I had dreadlocks. Made the same joke too. "what are the odds I'd get randomly selected 100% of the time I go through a checkpoint..."

Besides being racist this is kind of dumb. If you’re going to bring down the plane you’re defo not going to look like someone who gets randomly selected 100% of the time. Even the 9/11 terrorists knew this and shaved their beard instead of looking like the fundamentalists scumbags they were.

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Post by yalogin »

Vicinity9635 wrote: post #381
yalogin wrote: post #177

TSA has been an elaborate ruse to create a recurring revenue service program called “clear” and tsa-pre. Of course they are also able to monetize the ruse itself.

It's an elaborate ruse to condition Americans to the 4th amendment not being a real thing. The PATRIOT ACT which created the TSA was written by Joe Biden after the Oklahoma City bombing and passed after being reintroduced following 9/11 to end-run around the 4th amendment.

Not quite. The bush administration exploited the 9/11 situation and did it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Patriot_Act

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Post by zootboy »

samename wrote: post #215
tedggh wrote: post #103

It seems to me it is more of a penalty to encourage people to get Real ID while still allowing them to fly. I would imagine most air travelers have some kind of real id, passport, actual real id DL or global entry card. Very few people cannot get real id due to name inconsistency issues, but most are just lazy. Allowing them to fly for $45 seems reasonable to me, particularly if they cause delays at security.

There are 15 other forms of ID that TSA accepts, so Real ID isn’t necessary: https://www.cchfreedom.org/national-id/

Here's the actual TSA list: https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/identification

But fun fact: even if an ID is on that list, if it's not one that their little scanner machines know how to read, then it's effectively not on that list. I've been hassled every single time I try to use my TWIC card at TSA, and they invariably demand to use my (non-REAL) driver's license, since their dumb scanners can manage to read that one. They often then have the gall to give me one of their "You need to have a REAL ID" pamphlets. I can't wait to see what happens next time I travel with this new fee in effect.

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Post by chias »

caseysoftware wrote: post #350
noduerme wrote: post #323

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Nice trick. I always opted out of the scanners, dozens of times, and just got used to bantering with guys while they were patting my balls.

I did that for a long time. My favorite part is when they say "Do you have any sore or sensitive areas?" I always say "my penis" and they say "uh.. well.. I'm not going to touch that" Me: "When you slide your hand up until you meet resistance? That resistance is my penis. You're going to touch my penis and it's a sensitive area."

oh my GOD I'm wheezing here :D

I fly next week, I will have to decide whether having this conversation is worth not trying to get out of the opt-out procedure. The difficulty will be keeping a straight face.

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Post by tass »

happymellon wrote: post #356
sargun wrote: post #263

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What ethnicity are you? I went through an airport -- and nobody else got screened except me. What was special about me? I was the only non-white person in the airport. Upon complaining, this was the response: > Random selection by our screening technology prevents terrorists from attempting to defeat the security system by learning how it operates. Leaving out any one group, such as senior citizens, persons with disa…

I used to work with a Kevin and a Mohammed. Whenever we travelled to offsite offices Mohammed 100% of the time was picked for bag check, while Kevin was not picked once. Mohammed was white, and Kevin was black. It was completely racist, and never random.

A person can get mistakenly (or not) flagged for special screening and get it over and over again - it happened to me many years ago.

I fixed it by filling out a form requesting a review, after which I received a “redress number” which could be entered into my booking information. It reliably stopped after that.

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Post by tdeck »

0x457 wrote: post #366
tdeck wrote: post #182

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The fact that Real ID was introduced when I was in college and has been pushed back every year since shows that we don't actually need it.

That's because many Americans are against national ID at all cost for some reason. The very same Americans think that immigrants need to have their "I'm legal" folder with them at all times.

What are the practical benefits we're supposed to get from the RealID system? All I've ever heard is "national security" which is the excuse for every harmful thing.

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Post by fc417fc802 »

0x457 wrote: post #366
tdeck wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that Real ID was introduced when I was in college and has been pushed back every year since shows that we don't actually need it.

That's because many Americans are against national ID at all cost for some reason. The very same Americans think that immigrants need to have their "I'm legal" folder with them at all times.

Blatant strawman. I'm a concrete counterexample if you insist on having one. The federal government should not have any involvement in routine photo ID. If that makes certain things difficult I see that as a feature, not a bug.

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Post by aboardRat4 »

adastra22 wrote: post #281
aboardRat4 wrote: post #209

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Usually you go to either a police station or an embassy and receive a temporary permit that has a validity of one week, just enough to get to the place of registration and re-issue your ID.

...how? California doesn't have an embassy in New York.

Surely New York has enough police stations to visit and declare a loss of ID.

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Post by fc417fc802 »

0x457 wrote: post #362
smelendez wrote: post #335

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Absolutely. With Real ID, the biggest pain for a lot of people is proof of residency. Rich people just print out some combination of a bank statement, a pay stub, and a copy of their mortgage or lease or the electric bill, but poor people may not have much of that. Think of someone staying with family and getting paid by a gig economy job to a Cash App card or just working under the table/doing odd jobs. Once you sta…

You need two documents for proof. It's really not that hard. Poor that can't produce these documents probably can't afford a plane ticket either, so how is it a problem? Y'all have some weird ideas about how poor people are incapable of have two pieces of paper that have: 1) their name 2) their address

Rather you lack perspective on the wider world. It is not uncommon to have an "unofficial" living situation and work under the table. In that scenario which documents would have your name and address on it? Will the DMV accept a purchase order from Amazon? Get real.
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