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The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Post by sailfast »

lateforwork wrote: post #25
paxys wrote: post #23

It's hilarious how transparent a money grab this entire thing is. "You need to show a Real ID for security, otherwise how do we know you won't hijack the plane?" "Well I don't have a Real ID." "Ok then, give us $45 and you can go through." So it was never about security at all then, was it? And don't get me started with all the paid express security lanes. Because of course only poor people can weaponize shoes and la…

The $45 pays for extra checks and scrutiny.

Bullshit. Also not legally required.

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Post by StillBored »

Frankly, the entire agency is unconstitutional. From the fact that they basically exist under a general warrant issued by the supreme court (although they invented a new catagory, "administrative search", which doesn't fundamentally change what it is) to the restrictions on the right to assembly requires free travel as well, although the current legal underpinnings are "creative", the 10th admendment which grants all non enumerated powers to the states, to the restrictions on bearing arms on the plane and a half dozen other parts. About the only part they might be able to stand on is commerce again, but then so much travel in the larger states remains in the state (ex dallas/houston, san fran/LA) requiring seperate security zones.

Bush should have _NEVER_ nationalized them, at least as a private entity they existed in a sorta gray area. Now they are clearly violating the 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 10th amendments.

And the solution isn't another bullshit supreme court amendment of the absolutist language in the bill of rights/etc but to actually have a national discussion about how much safety the are providing vs their cost, intrusiveness, etc and actually find enough common ground to amend the constitution. Until then they are unconstitutional and the court makes a mockery of itself and delgitimizes then entire apparatus in any ruling that doesn't tear it down as such.

And before anyone says "oh thats hard", i'm going to argue no its not, pretty much 100% of the country could agree to amend the 2nd to ban the private ownership of nuclear weapons, there isn't any reason that it shouldn't be possible to get 70% support behind some simple restrictions "aka no guns, detected via a metal detector on public airplanes" passed. But then the agency wouldn't be given free run to do whatever the political appointee of the week feels like. But there are "powers" that are more interested in tracking you, selling worthless scanners, and creating jobs programs for people who enjoy feeling people up and picking through their dirty underwear.

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Post by tedggh »

It seems to me it is more of a penalty to encourage people to get Real ID while still allowing them to fly. I would imagine most air travelers have some kind of real id, passport, actual real id DL or global entry card. Very few people cannot get real id due to name inconsistency issues, but most are just lazy. Allowing them to fly for $45 seems reasonable to me, particularly if they cause delays at security.

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Post by bb88 »

I once told TSA this: "I lost my Driver's License, and the state won't issue another for a month maybe. I understand there's an extra screening pat-down."

Before entering the porno scanners I put everything in my pockets on the scanner belt, and they didn't bother to pat me down. YMMV.

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Post by Izikiel43 »

OkayPhysicist wrote: post #86
aboardRat4 wrote: post #55

In the USA it is possible to fly without an ID?

Yes, because the federal government can't assume that everyone has an ID, since they don't issue a universal ID. Any attempt to fix the fact that Americans don't have universal federal identification has met stiff resistance from a variety of angles, from privacy proponents to religious nuts who think universal identification is the mark of the beast. It ties into why we still have to register for the draft (despite…

> Yes, because the federal government can't assume that everyone has an ID, since they don't issue a universal ID.

I'm from a 3rd world country and we have a national id, the usa is weird in the strangest things.

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Post by jimktrains2 »

wmf wrote: post #92
jimktrains2 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I concur with your hesitation, my first reaction on hearing about the fee was "Didn't they say you couldn't fly without a realid? Why am I able to fly without one then?" The idea that they may not be able to bar you without one jives with how this is playing out. Another commenter in this post also mentioned flying without id, which I also thought wasn't possible.

If you don't have Real ID they perform an equivalent background check at the airport which they charge you $45 for.

But it's something they're choosing to do, not something that is required.

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Post by eli »

crazygringo wrote: post #78
tssva wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no legal requirement to show id or answer any questions to establish identification before flying. In other words there is no extra work required by law which the fee would cover.

The TSA is literally doing all this extra work though, whether or not you think it's required by law. They're not just pocketing the $45 and then blindly waving you ahead.

Flying without ID just gets you the full patdown treatment. It’s not like they’re tracking down people to vouch for you.

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Post by tokyobreakfast »

paxys wrote: post #23

It's hilarious how transparent a money grab this entire thing is. "You need to show a Real ID for security, otherwise how do we know you won't hijack the plane?" "Well I don't have a Real ID." "Ok then, give us $45 and you can go through." So it was never about security at all then, was it? And don't get me started with all the paid express security lanes. Because of course only poor people can weaponize shoes and la…

> Because of course only poor people can weaponize shoes and laptops.

Are these the same poor people that reputedly cannot get IDs to vote because of a government conspiracy to suppress their votes, yet can afford an airline ticket and commute to an airport?

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Post by eli »

awill wrote: post #97
paxys wrote: post #23

It's hilarious how transparent a money grab this entire thing is. "You need to show a Real ID for security, otherwise how do we know you won't hijack the plane?" "Well I don't have a Real ID." "Ok then, give us $45 and you can go through." So it was never about security at all then, was it? And don't get me started with all the paid express security lanes. Because of course only poor people can weaponize shoes and la…

Let me just for one second give them the benefit of the doubt. Could the $45 be a way to pay for some extra manual screening? Maybe? Or do they not deserve any benefit of the doubt.

They do not.

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Post by ibejoeb »

hamdingers wrote: post #79
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying our state offers both RealID and none RealID driver’s licenses?

All states do (for now). Not everyone qualified to drive is capable of proving their identity to the level RealID requires.

As far as I know, Florida does not issue documents that are not REAL ID compliant.
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