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Re: The Codex App

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Post by measurablefunc »

bopbopbop7 wrote: post #256
measurablefunc wrote: post #249

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There is a guy on twitter documenting his progress with moltbot/openclaw: https://x.com/Austen/status/2018371289468072219 . Apparently he has already registered his bot for an LLC so he can make money w/ it.

Some guy on Twitter selling an AI coding boot camp is an interesting example. Also it's literally just a post of him looking for a real developer to review his vibe coded bot???

What does the bootcamp have to do w/ anything? He is using AI slop to make money, that's all that matters in a socio-economic system wherein everyone & everything must make profits to persist. Edit: found another example from coinbase: https://x.com/0xEricBrown/status/2018082458143699035.

Edit: I'm not going to keep addressing your comment if you keep editing it. You asked for an example & I found two very easily. I am certain there are many others so at this point the onus is on you to figure out what exactly it is you are actually arguing.

Re: The Codex App

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Post by saint_fiasco »

bopbopbop7 wrote: post #247
airstrike wrote: post #227

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I've done way, way more than that, as I'm sure others have too. This is just bad product management.

So where is all this amazing software that you and others built with AI? All I see is hype blog posts and pre-IPO marketing by AI companies, not much being shipped though.

You won't see it because it's mostly personal software for personal computers.

I've got a medical doctor handwriting decipherer, a board game simulator that takes a PDF of the rulebooks as input and an accounting/budgeting software that can interface with my bank via email because my bank doesn't have an API.

None of that is of any use to you. If you happen to need a similar software, it will be easier for you to ask your own AI to make a custom one for you rather than adapt the ones I had my AI make for me.

Under the circumstances, I would feel bad shipping anything. My users would be legitimately better off just vibe coding their own versions.

Re: The Codex App

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Post by RazerWazer »

OkGoDoIt wrote: post #83
surrTurr wrote: post #10

- looks like OpenAIs answer to Claude Code Desktop / Cowork - workspace agent runner apps (like Conductor) get more and more obsolete - "vibe working" is becoming a thing - people use folder based agents to do their work (not just coding) - new workflows seem to be evolving into folder based workspaces, where agents can self-configure MCP servers and skills + memory files and instructions kinda interested to see if o…

Also interesting that they are both only for macOS. I’m feeling a bit left out on the Windows and Linux side, but this seems like an ongoing trend.

I'm so sick and tired of the macOS elitism in the AI/LLM world.

Re: The Codex App

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Post by keeeba »

Is everything OpenAI do/release now a response to something Anthropic have recently released?

I remember the days when it was worth reading about their latest research/release. Halcyon days indeed.

Re: The Codex App

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Post by OlympicMarmoto »

namelosw wrote: post #255
OlympicMarmoto wrote: post #220

It is baffling how these AI companies, with billions of dollars, cannot build native applications, even with the help of AI. From a UI perspective, these are mostly just chat apps, which are not particularly difficult to code from scratch. Before the usual excuses come about how it is impossible to build a custom UI, consider software that is orders of magnitude more complex, such as raddbg, 10x, Superluminal, Blende…

The situation for Desktop development is nasty. Microsoft had so many halfassed frameworks and nobody knows which one to use. It’s probably the de facto platform on Windows IS Electron, and Microsoft use them often, too. On MacOS is much better. But most of the team either ended up with locked in Mac-only or go cross platform with Electron.

This is another common excuse.

You don't need to use microsoft's or apple's or google's shit UI frameworks. E.g. see https://filepilot.tech/

You can just write all the rendering yourself using metal/gl/dx. if you didn't want to write the rendering yourself there are plenty of libraries like skia, flutter's renderer, nanovg, etc

Re: The Codex App

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Post by harikb »

rafram wrote: post #258
harikb wrote: post #244

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I have been building Desktop apps with Go + Wails[1]. I happen to know Go, but if you are ai-coding even that is not necessary. A full fledged app, that does everything I want, is ~ 10MB. I know Tauri+Rust can get it to probably 1 MB. But it is a far cry from these Electron based apps shipping 140MB+ . My app at 10MB does a lot more, has tons of screens. Yes, it can be vibe coded and it is especially not an excuse th…

I've looked into Tauri and Wails, but they don't seem realistic for a cross-platform app with wide distribution across multiple platforms and platform versions. One of Electron's main selling points is that you control the browser version. Anything that relies on the system web view (like Tauri and Wails) will either force you to aggressively drop support for out-of-date OS versions, or constantly check caniuse.com a…

If the web-interface of a website can serve same HTML to all browsers, these UI can as well. I don't think we have IE6 level incompatibility these days. I have no idea what specific incompatibility you are talking about. I am writing my 4th desktop app since early 2025.

But sure, you could have some specific need, but I find it hard to believe for these simple apps.

Re: The Codex App

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Post by hdjrudni »

abshkbh wrote: post #169
OkGoDoIt wrote: post #83

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Also interesting that they are both only for macOS. I’m feeling a bit left out on the Windows and Linux side, but this seems like an ongoing trend.

We did train Codex models natively on Windows - https://openai.com/index/introducing-gpt-5-2-codex/ (and even 5.1-codex-max)

I appreciate this (as a Windows user) but I'm also curious how necessary this was.

Like I notice in Codex in PhpStorm it uses Get-Whatever style PowerShell commands but firstly, I have a perfectly working Git-Bash installed that's like 98% compatible with Linux and Mac. Could it not use that instead of being retrained on Windows-centric commands?

But better yet, probably 95% of the commands it actually needs to run are like cat and ripgrep. Can't you just bundle the top 20 commands, make them OS-agnostic and train on that?

The last tiny bit of the puzzle I would think is the stuff that actually is OS-specific, but I don't know what that would be. Maybe some differences in file systems, sandboxing, networking.

Re: The Codex App

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Post by tartoran »

karmasimida wrote: post #181

Not to rain on the parade, but this app feels to me ... unpolished. Some of the options in the demo feels less thought out and just put together. I will try it out, but is this just me, or product/UX side of recent OpenAI products are sort of ... skipped over? It is good that agents help ship software quickly, but please no half-baked stuff like Altas 2.0 again ...

What else do you expect from vibecoding? Even the announcement for this app is LLM generated.

Re: The Codex App

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Post by hdjrudni »

layer8 wrote: post #153
hmate9 wrote: post #123

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That’s not really a negative for me as I can easily jump into vscode where I already have my workspace for coding set up exactly as I like it. This being a completely separate app just to get the agentic work right is a good direction imo

It would be nice to have an integrated development environment.

How dare you want your IDE to be integrated!

Re: The Codex App

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Post by OlympicMarmoto »

bopbopbop7 wrote: post #224
OlympicMarmoto wrote: post #220

It is baffling how these AI companies, with billions of dollars, cannot build native applications, even with the help of AI. From a UI perspective, these are mostly just chat apps, which are not particularly difficult to code from scratch. Before the usual excuses come about how it is impossible to build a custom UI, consider software that is orders of magnitude more complex, such as raddbg, 10x, Superluminal, Blende…

> even with the help of AI. This is what you get when you build with AI, an electron app with an input field.

Claude code is perfectly capable of writing low level rendering and input code and it can be equally as mindless as vibe coding web apps.

E.g. just say "write a c++ gui widget library using dx11 and win32 and copy flutters layout philosophy, use harfbuzz for shaping, etc etc"

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