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Re: The Codex App

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Post by babypuncher »

bopbopbop7 wrote: post #224
OlympicMarmoto wrote: post #220

It is baffling how these AI companies, with billions of dollars, cannot build native applications, even with the help of AI. From a UI perspective, these are mostly just chat apps, which are not particularly difficult to code from scratch. Before the usual excuses come about how it is impossible to build a custom UI, consider software that is orders of magnitude more complex, such as raddbg, 10x, Superluminal, Blende…

> even with the help of AI. This is what you get when you build with AI, an electron app with an input field.

At the end of the day LLMs just reproduce the consensus of the internet, so it makes sense that a coding agent would spit out software that looks like most of what's on the internet.

LLM output is called slop for a reason.

Re: The Codex App

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Post by Dowwie »

Hey, that's great OpenAI. Now add about 6 zeroes to the end of the weekly token limit for your customers and maybe we could use the app

Re: The Codex App

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Post by theshrike79 »

650REDHAIR wrote: post #167
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have the $20 a month subscription for ChatGPT and the $200/year subscription to Claude (company reimbursed). I have yet to hit usage limits with Codex. I continuously reach it with Claude. I use them both the same way - hands on the wheel and very interactive, small changes and tell them both to update a file to keep up with what’s done and what to do as I test. Codex gets caught in a loop more often trying to fix…

I hit the Claude limit within an hour. Most of my tokens are used arguing with the hallucinations. I’ve given up on it.

I don't want to be That Guy, but if you're "arguing with hallucinations" with an AI Agent in 2026 you're either holding it wrong or you're working on something highly nonstandard.

Re: The Codex App

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Post by harikb »

rafram wrote: post #234
OlympicMarmoto wrote: post #220

It is baffling how these AI companies, with billions of dollars, cannot build native applications, even with the help of AI. From a UI perspective, these are mostly just chat apps, which are not particularly difficult to code from scratch. Before the usual excuses come about how it is impossible to build a custom UI, consider software that is orders of magnitude more complex, such as raddbg, 10x, Superluminal, Blende…

- Video games often use HTML/JS-based UI these days. - UE5 has its own custom UI framework, which definitely does not feel "native" on any platform. Not really any better than Electron. - You can easily call native APIs from Electron. I agree that Electron apps that feel "web-y" or hog resources unnecessarily are distasteful, but most people don't know or care whether the apps they're running use native UI frameworks…

I have been building Desktop apps with Go + Wails[1]. I happen to know Go, but if you are ai-coding even that is not necessary.

A full fledged app, that does everything I want, is ~ 10MB. I know Tauri+Rust can get it to probably 1 MB. But it is a far cry from these Electron based apps shipping 140MB+ . My app at 10MB does a lot more, has tons of screens.

Yes, it can be vibe coded and it is especially not an excuse these days.

[1] https://wails.io/

Microsoft Teams, Outlook, Slack, Spotify? Cursor? VsCode? I have like 10 copies of Chrome in my machine!

Re: The Codex App

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Post by daxfohl »

It would be nice if it didn't have to be all local. I'd love a managed cluster feature where you could just blast some workloads off to some designated server or cluster and manage them remotely, share progress with teammates, etc. (Not "cloud" though; I'd still want them on the internal network). I imagine something like that is in the works.

Re: The Codex App

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Post by andrewchambers »

daxfohl wrote: post #245

It would be nice if it didn't have to be all local. I'd love a managed cluster feature where you could just blast some workloads off to some designated server or cluster and manage them remotely, share progress with teammates, etc. (Not "cloud" though; I'd still want them on the internal network). I imagine something like that is in the works.

I do it with ssh and tmux. I suppose tools could make it better.

Re: The Codex App

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Post by bopbopbop7 »

airstrike wrote: post #227
bopbopbop7 wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> even with the help of AI. This is what you get when you build with AI, an electron app with an input field.

I've done way, way more than that, as I'm sure others have too. This is just bad product management.

So where is all this amazing software that you and others built with AI?

All I see is hype blog posts and pre-IPO marketing by AI companies, not much being shipped though.

Re: The Codex App

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Post by measurablefunc »

airstrike wrote: post #227
bopbopbop7 wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> even with the help of AI. This is what you get when you build with AI, an electron app with an input field.

I've done way, way more than that, as I'm sure others have too. This is just bad product management.

Their goal is to ship as fast as possible b/c they don't care about what you care about. Their objective is to gather as much data as possible & electron is good enough for that.

Re: The Codex App

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Post by measurablefunc »

bopbopbop7 wrote: post #247
airstrike wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've done way, way more than that, as I'm sure others have too. This is just bad product management.

So where is all this amazing software that you and others built with AI? All I see is hype blog posts and pre-IPO marketing by AI companies, not much being shipped though.

There is a guy on twitter documenting his progress with moltbot/openclaw: https://x.com/Austen/status/2018371289468072219. Apparently he has already registered his bot for an LLC so he can make money w/ it.

Re: The Codex App

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Post by alabhyajindal »

harikb wrote: post #244
rafram wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- Video games often use HTML/JS-based UI these days. - UE5 has its own custom UI framework, which definitely does not feel "native" on any platform. Not really any better than Electron. - You can easily call native APIs from Electron. I agree that Electron apps that feel "web-y" or hog resources unnecessarily are distasteful, but most people don't know or care whether the apps they're running use native UI frameworks…

I have been building Desktop apps with Go + Wails[1]. I happen to know Go, but if you are ai-coding even that is not necessary. A full fledged app, that does everything I want, is ~ 10MB. I know Tauri+Rust can get it to probably 1 MB. But it is a far cry from these Electron based apps shipping 140MB+ . My app at 10MB does a lot more, has tons of screens. Yes, it can be vibe coded and it is especially not an excuse th…

Wow Wails looks interesting! Hadn't heard of it before.
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