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Surely the crash of the US economy has to be soon

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Re: Surely the crash of the US economy has to be soon

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I'm kinda new into economy crashes, was a kid in 2008, is there a way to protect of it?

It's difficult to draw many lessons from 2008. The people who suffered most then were over extended home owners. It's still not a good idea to be one of those people but there aren't so many of them now anyway.

A lot of people _need_ the S&P to stay where it is to keep their standard of living stable. If it drops to a rational valuation (say, 2500-3000), there will be a lot of pain.

Re: Surely the crash of the US economy has to be soon

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The rest of the Republican Party is completely devoid of charisma, especially the kind that drew so many voters to Trump. There is no drop-in replacement. Lots of money will be spent trying to manufacture a replacement, though. That will be fun to watch. If you thought the last-minute rally around Kamala was tough to watch…

I think JD Vance has plenty of charisma.

Definitely an odd duck out in the context of Trump, Obama, Bush II, Clinton, Bush, Reagan.

Also remember it’s not just being charismatic, but charismatic enough to keep people distracted from increasingly unpopular reactionary politics that defy even conservative beliefs (e.g. gun control, speech policing, deficit spending, plenary executive).

Re: Surely the crash of the US economy has to be soon

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I think the government is laser focused on reducing regulations, reducing energy costs, reducing interest rates, a weaker dollar that makes exports better, minimizing taxes. Technological innovation is increasing overall productivity. There are definite headwinds like upward pressure on labor by reducing the worker population, stagnating population growth, undertainty, tarriffs, a weaker dollar increasing inflation.…

Hold on there, they have been very explicitly doing the opposite of reducing energy costs. The administration has been aggressively trying to cancel all sorts of energy projects, even projects that have almost been completed. At the same time they've been encouraging as much data center build out as possible. Lowering supply and increasing demand is hardly going to reduce energy costs. They have managed to significan…

Oil prices are VERY reasonable right now.

Re: Surely the crash of the US economy has to be soon

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Don’t get me wrong, I’ll be the first to jump up and say there’s a deep cultural rot in America that, if it weren’t for the fortune of incredible financial success, would have us be seen as a hellhole of antisocial maniacs. That being said, I just don’t buy into the notion that the strategy of the party from 2016-2024 (maybe 100 Trump rallies per year?) can carry over into the late 2020s / early 2030s. If anything, t…

That's not the point: the point is America did this twice . The world is not going to deal with America radically flip flopping every policy position every 4 years, and escalating that every time. The US has just finished (maybe?) threatening to invade a NATO allied country. The occurrence rate of that has gone from "never" to "at least once". The delta change on that is infinity: there will never be a world in sever…

> That's not the point: the point is America did this twice. The world is not going to deal with America radically flip flopping every policy position every 4 years, and escalating that every time.

I’ll admit, I’m becoming confused about the point of our back-and-forth.

All I’m trying to express is that probably by the end of 2026, and definitely by 2028, the people who are trying to enact reactionary change (Stephen Miller, PayPal Mafia, Heritage Foundation, etc.) will have to adjust their strategy. They are losing their charismatic leader, if not because of constitutional limits on presidential terms, then by his very obvious reduced vigor (he will not be able to do 100 rallies in a calendar year again).

On the world stage, yes, America has stumbled. Maybe even worse, some international folks are realizing that the America that they thought existed was just a Hollywood mirage, and that we were always one recession and a few thousand votes in Florida from becoming a global pariah.

Re: Surely the crash of the US economy has to be soon

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you can couch it in tech metaphors but there is a clear path forward and it involves eating a certain class of people

You don't have to eat them. You just have to erect significant barriers to hoarding wealth, particularly in off shore devices, and you have to create constant pressure to ensure that stored wealth is best re-invested in the economy at large. These aren't even hard problems. Until you meet someone in Congress. Then it suddenly seems hopeless.

>and you have to create constant pressure to ensure that stored wealth is best re-invested in the economy at large

I have no idea if this is true (I've asked economists-in-training, they say they'll get back to me), but I've read that the huge increases in tax rates on high income during the war was less to generate revenue (tho more revenue was certainly a need - there was also a growing focus on growing the number of people who paid taxes, which prior had been quite small), but more to ensure profits were not realized and instead kept invested in the economy and the war machine.

A kind of practical "hodl" to keep the wartime economy stock with reinvestment - or really to discourage removing money from industrial investment - to benefit the war-time economy.

Would like links to things to learn more about this line of reasoning.

Re: Surely the crash of the US economy has to be soon

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What is a mess about the Eurozone and reckless about the ECB?

https://robinjbrooks.substack.com/p/the-principal-agent-prob...

Able to summarize what you mean vs just a link?

Re: Surely the crash of the US economy has to be soon

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Where it's gonna crash to? Where is going the capital move to when everythings going up? (except crypto apparently)

Why does the capital have to go anywhere? People just bid less and less for the same assets and prices go down. Margin calls happen and increase seller volume, prices go down further. And so on. I'm not saying all this will happen. Just that capital doesn't have to "go" anywhere for a crash to occur.

> Why does the capital have to go anywhere? People just bid less and less for the same assets and prices go down.

So the law of supply and demand just magically reverses itself?

Re: Surely the crash of the US economy has to be soon

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I don't understand why people expect the Chinese economy to crash - they can basically make everything, a lot of which is internationally competitive, they can trade for the resources they don't have with the goods that they do - with basically the whole world dependent on them. They have a huge internal base of poor people, and lifting them to a middle class level will alone fuel domestic demand for years to come. T…

> Their biggest problem[…] is demographic in nature. https://www.populationpyramid.net/china/2024/

This is a profoundly important - central, even - issue that I am very surprised to not see widely understood or acknowledged.

China is in a life-or-death race against time. A good number of their decisions are explained when viewed through this demographic implosion-bomb they are facing.

Re: Surely the crash of the US economy has to be soon

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https://www.kitco.com/charts/silver There has been significant recovery in after-hours trading, but check out that "day's range". The low point was around 1:40 PM EST.

>There has been significant recovery in after-hours trading After hours has been flat. I think what you meant to say is it recovered a tiny bit from it's regular trading hours low. It's still down over 25% on the day.

I know it was recovering in the afternoon, but I didn't think it got to ~85 by the bell. Maybe I misremembered. It doesn't help that SLV is close to, but not equal to the price of 1 oz.

Re: Surely the crash of the US economy has to be soon

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I feel like there's some credibility to 'this time it's different' The US economy depends on the country's position of world hegemon - the US dollar is the world's main reserve currency, the US enforces international order and trade rules via its military strength, it dominates technology and culture through 'US defaultism'. I dont think AI even factors in to this. The US economy is priced for global reach - if it ma…

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