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Re: A few random notes from Claude coding quite a bit last few weeks

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Post by cogogo »

simianwords wrote: post #117
ctoth wrote: post #112

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> But anyway, it already costs half compared to last year You could not have bought Claude Opus 4.5 at any price one year ago I'm quite certain. The things that were available cost half of what they did then, and there are new things available. These are both true. I'm agreeing with you, to be clear. There are two pieces I expect to continue: inference for existing models will continue to get cheaper. Models will con…

interesting post. i wonder if these people go back and introspect on how incorrect they have been? do they feel the need to address it?

Some people definitely do but how do they go and address it? A fresh example in that it addresses pure misinformation. I just screwed up and told some neighbors garbage collection was delayed for a day because of almost 2ft of snow. Turns out it was just food waste and I was distracted checking the app and read the notification poorly.

I went back to tell them (do not know them at all just everyone is chattier digging out of a storm) and they were not there. Feel terrible and no real viable remedy. Hope they check themselves and realize I am an idiot. Even harder on the internet.

Re: A few random notes from Claude coding quite a bit last few weeks

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Post by solomonb »

groby_b wrote: post #130
peaseagee wrote: post #101

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That's not true. Many technologies get more expensive over time, as labor gets more expensive or as certain skills fall by the wayside, not everything is mass market. Have you tried getting a grandfather clock repaired lately?

No. You don't get to make "technology gets more expensive over time" statements for deprecated technologies. Getting a bespoke flintstone axe is also pretty expensive, and has also absolutely no relevance to modern life. These discussions must, if they are to be useful, center in a population experience, not in unique personal moments.

okay how about the Francis Scott Key Bridge?

https://marylandmatters.org/2025/11/17/key-bridge-replacemen...

Re: A few random notes from Claude coding quite a bit last few weeks

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Post by spongebobstoes »

all2well wrote: post #155

What particular setups are getting folks these sorts of results? If there’s a way I could avoid all the babysitting I have to do with AI tools that would be welcome

i use codex cli. work on giving it useful skills. work on the other instruction files. take Karpathy tips around testing and declarativeness

use many simultaneously, and bounce between them to unblock them as needed

build good tools and tests. you will soon learn all the things you did manually -- script them all

Re: A few random notes from Claude coding quite a bit last few weeks

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Post by simianwords »

hollowturtle wrote: post #156
simianwords wrote: post #127

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i'm not sure what kind of conspiracy you are hallucinating. do you think people have to "maintain the hype"? it is doing quite well organically.

So well that they're losing billions and OpenAI may go bankrupt this year

what if it doesn't?

Re: A few random notes from Claude coding quite a bit last few weeks

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Post by geraneum »

all2well wrote: post #155

What particular setups are getting folks these sorts of results? If there’s a way I could avoid all the babysitting I have to do with AI tools that would be welcome

> If there’s a way I could avoid all the babysitting I have to do with AI tools that would be welcome

OP mentions that they are actually doing the “babysitting”

Re: A few random notes from Claude coding quite a bit last few weeks

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Post by techpression »

simianwords wrote: post #152
techpression wrote: post #148

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The chart shows that they’re right though. Newer models cost more than older models. Sure they’re better but that’s moot if older models are not available or can’t solve the problem they’re tasked with.

this is incorrect. the cost to achieve the same task by old models is way higher than by new models. > Newer models cost more than older models where did you see this?

On the link you shared, 4o vs 3.5 turbo price per 1m tokens.

There’s no such thing as ”same task by old model”, you might get comparable results or you might not (and this is why the comparison fail, it’s not a comparison), the reason you pick the newer models is to increase chances of getting a good result.

Re: A few random notes from Claude coding quite a bit last few weeks

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Post by nsainsbury »

Touching on the atrophy point, I actually wrote a few thoughts about this yesterday: https://www.neilwithdata.com/outsourced-thinking

I actually disagree with Andrej here re: "Generation (writing code) and discrimination (reading code) are different capabilities in the brain." and I would argue that the only reason he can read code fluently, find issues, etc. is because he has spent year in a non-AI assisted world writing code. As time goes on, he will become substantially worse.

This also bodes incredibly poorly for the next generation, who will mostly in their formative years now avoid writing code and thus fail to even develop a idea of what good code is, how it works/why it works, why you make certain decisions, and not others, etc. and ultimately you will see them become utterly dependent on AI, unable to make progress without it.

IMO outsourcing thinking is going to have incredibly negative consequences for the world at large.

Re: A few random notes from Claude coding quite a bit last few weeks

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Post by jrflowers »

fragmede wrote: post #146
gtowey wrote: post #105

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The value extortion plan writes itself. How long before someone pitches the idea that the models explicitly almost keep solving your problem to get you to keep spending? Would you even know?

The free market proposition is that competition (especially with Chinese labs and grok) means that Anthropic is welcome to do that. They're even welcome to illegally collude with OpenAi such that ChatGPT is similarly gimped. But switching costs are pretty low. If it turns out I can one shot an issue with Qwen or Deepseek or Kimi thinking, Anthropic loses not just my monthly subscription, but everyone else's I show th…

This is a good point. For example if you have access to a bunch of slot machines, one of them is guaranteed to hit the jackpot. Since switching from one slot machine to another is easy, it is trivial to go from machine to machine until you hit the big bucks. That is why casinos have such large selections of them (for our benefit).
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