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Re: A few random notes from Claude coding quite a bit last few weeks

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Post by thunderfork »

fragmede wrote: post #146
gtowey wrote: post #105

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The value extortion plan writes itself. How long before someone pitches the idea that the models explicitly almost keep solving your problem to get you to keep spending? Would you even know?

The free market proposition is that competition (especially with Chinese labs and grok) means that Anthropic is welcome to do that. They're even welcome to illegally collude with OpenAi such that ChatGPT is similarly gimped. But switching costs are pretty low. If it turns out I can one shot an issue with Qwen or Deepseek or Kimi thinking, Anthropic loses not just my monthly subscription, but everyone else's I show th…

As a rational consumer, how would you distinguish between some intentional "keep pulling the slot machine" failure rate and the intrinsic failure rate?

I feel like saying "the market will fix the incentives" handwaves away the lack of information on internals. After all, look at the market response to Google making their search less reliable - sure, an invested nerd might try Kagi, but Google's still the market leader by a long shot.

In a market for lemons, good luck finding a lime.

Re: A few random notes from Claude coding quite a bit last few weeks

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Post by simianwords »

techpression wrote: post #148
simianwords wrote: post #111

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you are wrong. https://epoch.ai/data-insights/llm-inference-price-trends this is accounting for the fact that more tokens are used.

The chart shows that they’re right though. Newer models cost more than older models. Sure they’re better but that’s moot if older models are not available or can’t solve the problem they’re tasked with.

this is incorrect. the cost to achieve the same task by old models is way higher than by new models.

> Newer models cost more than older models

where did you see this?

Re: A few random notes from Claude coding quite a bit last few weeks

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Post by hollowturtle »

simianwords wrote: post #138
potatogun wrote: post #133

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You learned a new adjective? If people move beyond "nice", "mean" and "curmudgeonly" they might even read Shakespeare instead of having an LLM producing a summary.

cool. >Anyone wondering what exactly is he actually building? What? Where? this is trivially answerable. it seems like they did not do even the slightest bit of research before asking question after question to seem smart and detailed.

I asked many question and you focused on only one, btw yes I did my research, and I know him because I followed almost every tutorial he has on YouTube, and he never mentions clearly what weekend project worked on to make him conclude with such claims. I had a very high respect of him if not that at some point started acting like the Jesus Christ of LLMs

Re: A few random notes from Claude coding quite a bit last few weeks

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Post by jackling »

reducesuffering wrote: post #82
wkh129857 wrote: post #33

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https://github.com/karpathy/nanochat https://github.com/karpathy/llm.c The proof is in the pudding. Let's see your code

I don't agree with the parent commenters characterization of Karpathy, but these projects are just simple toy projects. They're educational material, not production level software.

Re: A few random notes from Claude coding quite a bit last few weeks

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Post by hollowturtle »

simianwords wrote: post #127
thr59182617 wrote: post #98

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I see way more hype that is boosted by the moderators. The scared ones are the nepo babies who founded a vaporware AI company that will be bought by daddy or friends through a VC. They have to maintain the hype until a somewhat credible exit appears and therefore lash out with boomer memes, FOMO, and the usual insane talking points like "there are builders and coders".

i'm not sure what kind of conspiracy you are hallucinating. do you think people have to "maintain the hype"? it is doing quite well organically.

So well that they're losing billions and OpenAI may go bankrupt this year

Re: A few random notes from Claude coding quite a bit last few weeks

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Post by simianwords »

hollowturtle wrote: post #153
simianwords wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

cool. >Anyone wondering what exactly is he actually building? What? Where? this is trivially answerable. it seems like they did not do even the slightest bit of research before asking question after question to seem smart and detailed.

I asked many question and you focused on only one, btw yes I did my research, and I know him because I followed almost every tutorial he has on YouTube, and he never mentions clearly what weekend project worked on to make him conclude with such claims. I had a very high respect of him if not that at some point started acting like the Jesus Christ of LLMs

its not clear why you asked that question if you knew the answer to it?

Re: A few random notes from Claude coding quite a bit last few weeks

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Post by polishdude20 »

coffeeaddict1 wrote: post #90
inerte wrote: post #86

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You don't simply put a body in a seat and get software. There are entire systems enabling this trust: college, resume, samples, referral, interviews, tests and CI, monitoring, mentoring, and performance feedback. And accountability can still exist? Is the engineer that created or reviewed a Pull Request using Claude Code less accountable then one that used PICO?

> And accountability can still exist? Is the engineer that created or reviewed a Pull Request using Claude Code less accountable then one that used PICO? The point is that in the human scenario, you can hold the human agents accountable. You cannot do that with AI. Of course, you as the orchestrator of agents will be accountable to someone, but you won't have the benefit of holding your "subordinates" accountable, wh…

You can switch to another LLM provider or stop using them altogether. It's even easier than firing a developer.

Re: A few random notes from Claude coding quite a bit last few weeks

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Post by coffeefirst »

fragmede wrote: post #146
gtowey wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The value extortion plan writes itself. How long before someone pitches the idea that the models explicitly almost keep solving your problem to get you to keep spending? Would you even know?

The free market proposition is that competition (especially with Chinese labs and grok) means that Anthropic is welcome to do that. They're even welcome to illegally collude with OpenAi such that ChatGPT is similarly gimped. But switching costs are pretty low. If it turns out I can one shot an issue with Qwen or Deepseek or Kimi thinking, Anthropic loses not just my monthly subscription, but everyone else's I show th…

It’s not that crazy. It could even happen by accident in pursuit of another unrelated goal. And if it did, a decent chunk of the tech industry would call it “revealed preference” because usage went up.
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