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Re: A few random notes from Claude coding quite a bit last few weeks

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Post by peaseagee »

fooker wrote: post #94
einrealist wrote: post #55

> It's so interesting to watch an agent relentlessly work at something. They never get tired, they never get demoralized, they just keep going and trying things where a person would have given up long ago to fight another day. It's a "feel the AGI" moment to watch it struggle with something for a long time just to come out victorious 30 minutes later. Somewhere, there are GPUs/NPUs running hot. You send all the neces…

> It might become cheaper or it might not If it does not, this is going to be first technology in the history of mankind that has not become cheaper. (But anyway, it already costs half compared to last year)

That's not true. Many technologies get more expensive over time, as labor gets more expensive or as certain skills fall by the wayside, not everything is mass market. Have you tried getting a grandfather clock repaired lately?

Re: A few random notes from Claude coding quite a bit last few weeks

#102

Post by InsideOutSanta »

fooker wrote: post #94
einrealist wrote: post #55

> It's so interesting to watch an agent relentlessly work at something. They never get tired, they never get demoralized, they just keep going and trying things where a person would have given up long ago to fight another day. It's a "feel the AGI" moment to watch it struggle with something for a long time just to come out victorious 30 minutes later. Somewhere, there are GPUs/NPUs running hot. You send all the neces…

> It might become cheaper or it might not If it does not, this is going to be first technology in the history of mankind that has not become cheaper. (But anyway, it already costs half compared to last year)

Sure, running an LLM is cheaper, but the way we use LLMs now requires way more tokens than last year.

Re: A few random notes from Claude coding quite a bit last few weeks

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Post by kejaed »

vardalab wrote: post #93
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #53

Once again, 80% of the comments here are from boomers. HN used to be a proper place for people actually curious about technology

I'm almost a boomer and I agree. THis dichotomy is weird. I am retired EE and I love the ability to just have AI do whatever I want for me. I have it manage a 10 node proxmox cluster in my basement via ansible and terraform. I can finally do stuff I always wanted but had no time. I got sick of editing my kids sports videos for highlights in Davinci Resolve so just asked claude to write a simple app for me and then us…

So what is your workflow now with this app for kids sports highlights?

Re: A few random notes from Claude coding quite a bit last few weeks

#104

Post by polishdude20 »

ryandrake wrote: post #23
atonse wrote: post #11

> LLM coding will split up engineers based on those who primarily liked coding and those who primarily liked building. I’ve always said I’m a builder even though I’ve also enjoyed programming (but for an outcome, never for the sake of the code) This perfectly sums up what I’ve been observing between people like me (builders) who are ecstatic about this new world and programmers who talk about the craft of programming…

I noticed the same thing, but wasn't able to put it into words before reading that. Been experimenting with LLM-based coding just so I can understand it and talk intelligently about it (instead of just being that grouchy curmudgeon), and the thought in the back of my mind while using Claude Code is always: "I got into programming because I like programming, not whatever this is..." Yes, I'm building stupid things fas…

What I have enjoyed about programming is being able to get the computer to do exactly what I want. The possibilities are bounded by only what I can conceive in my mind. I feel like with AI that can happen faster.

Re: A few random notes from Claude coding quite a bit last few weeks

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Post by gtowey »

daxfohl wrote: post #88
einrealist wrote: post #55

> It's so interesting to watch an agent relentlessly work at something. They never get tired, they never get demoralized, they just keep going and trying things where a person would have given up long ago to fight another day. It's a "feel the AGI" moment to watch it struggle with something for a long time just to come out victorious 30 minutes later. Somewhere, there are GPUs/NPUs running hot. You send all the neces…

I still find in these instances there's at least a 50% chance it has taken a shortcut somewhere: created a new, bigger bug in something that just happened not to have a unit test covering it, or broke an "implicit" requirement that was so obvious to any reasonable human that nobody thought to document it. These can be subtle because you're not looking for them, because no human would ever think to do such a thing. Th…

The value extortion plan writes itself. How long before someone pitches the idea that the models explicitly almost keep solving your problem to get you to keep spending? Would you even know?

Re: A few random notes from Claude coding quite a bit last few weeks

#106

Post by simianwords »

InsideOutSanta wrote: post #102
fooker wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It might become cheaper or it might not If it does not, this is going to be first technology in the history of mankind that has not become cheaper. (But anyway, it already costs half compared to last year)

Sure, running an LLM is cheaper, but the way we use LLMs now requires way more tokens than last year.

ok but the capabilities are also rising. what point are you trying to make?

Re: A few random notes from Claude coding quite a bit last few weeks

#107

Post by simonw »

jimbokun wrote: post #25

I'm pretty happy with Copilot in VS Code. Type what change I want Claude to make in the Copilot panel, and then use the VS Code in context diffs to accept or reject the proposed changes. While being able to make other small changes on my own. So I think this tracks with Karpathy's defense of IDEs still being necessary ? Has anyone found it practical to forgo IDEs almost entirely?

Are you letting it run your tests and run little snippets of code to try them out (like "python -c 'import module; print(module.something())'") or are you just using it to propose diffs for you to accept or reject?

This stuff gets a whole lot more interesting when you let it start making changes and testing them by itself.

Re: A few random notes from Claude coding quite a bit last few weeks

#108

Post by oytis »

simianwords wrote: post #106
InsideOutSanta wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, running an LLM is cheaper, but the way we use LLMs now requires way more tokens than last year.

ok but the capabilities are also rising. what point are you trying to make?

That it's not getting cheaper?

Re: A few random notes from Claude coding quite a bit last few weeks

#109

Post by simianwords »

peaseagee wrote: post #101
fooker wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It might become cheaper or it might not If it does not, this is going to be first technology in the history of mankind that has not become cheaper. (But anyway, it already costs half compared to last year)

That's not true. Many technologies get more expensive over time, as labor gets more expensive or as certain skills fall by the wayside, not everything is mass market. Have you tried getting a grandfather clock repaired lately?

"repairing a unique clock" getting costlier doesn't mean technology hasn't gotten cheaper.

check out whether clocks have gotten cheaper in general. the answer is that it has.

there is no economy of scale here in repairing a single clock. its not relevant to bring it up here.

Re: A few random notes from Claude coding quite a bit last few weeks

#110

Post by jstummbillig »

oytis wrote: post #108
simianwords wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ok but the capabilities are also rising. what point are you trying to make?

That it's not getting cheaper?

But it is, capability adjusted, which is the only way it makes sense. You can definitely produce last years capability at a huge discount.
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