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Yes, It's Fascism

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Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by aichin »

tstrimple wrote: post #409
mindslight wrote: post #290

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nit: Fascist voters who think of themselves as "conservative" are the problem. Actual conservatives wouldn't support Trump attacking institution after institution, both domestic and international. My point isn't to defend the behavior of the people who have called themselves conservative for the past ~forty years. Rather it's meant to reclaim the term for what has now clearly become the middle of the Overton window.…

> Actual conservatives wouldn't support Trump It's quite honestly amazing how much conservative propaganda has warped the liberal mind. So many liberals actually believe that conservatives just want a slow measured pace of change and to balance budgets, but that's literally never been what they have actually legislated for or accomplished. Liberals are the only people in my lifetime who have actually held those value…

> and recognizing trans people as humans

Actually, the policy proposal is to recognize in law that women and men are defined by sex, not self-declared gender identity.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by fugalfervor »

RealityVoid wrote: post #139
throw0101c wrote: post #123

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> The point is, when tense situations happen, you need to have everyone keep their cool. If someone flinches, people die. Repeat this situation many many times over a day, and tragedies will happen. Except that "flinching" is not happening. An earlier comment of mine: --- On the most recent event, a reduced-speed video showing one agent (centre, bent over at beginning) removing the victim's firearm from his waistband…

I saw the video, it was horrifying. My (admittedly, attempting to be as charitable as possible to murderers) take is that the one taking the weapon must have said he has a gun, and the first shooter reacted to that. It's a very sad day for the US, Alex Pretti seemed like a great person and what happened was disgraceful. I still think that the most dangerous thing from this whole situation is how this admin frames it…

Call me crazy, but I think the most dangerous thing about people killing people is that people are killing people.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by atomic_reed »

deinonychus wrote: post #275
atomic_reed wrote: post #220

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Are you okay? Is this an AI experiment?

This is an anti-AI experiment amigo. My tokens bring all the boys to the yard...because they are less predictable.

And no, I am not ok. My facts are rooted in what I daydream of.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by zahlman »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #382
zahlman wrote: post #371

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Those points have nothing to do with tone policing, so I don't understand the objection. Flagging https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46768275 is completely inappropriate (I do not accuse you specifically). It does not in any way violate HN guidelines. The comment it was responding to clearly did, and was correctly flagged and killed as a result.

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Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by zahlman »

mingus88 wrote: post #400
zahlman wrote: post #299

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> If this were about enforcing immigration law, they would first focus on red states with huge immigrant populations They did; see my other reply.

How about business owners who are hiring the illegal immigrants? When aren’t they going after the supply?

1. They do that too; see e.g. https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5411184-ice-crac... .

2. Are they really "the supply"? There are so many illegal immigrants in the US now (so many that they have to prioritize the ones who have committed violent crimes, hence the "worst of the worst" propaganda) that it seems entirely reasonable to imagine they could start their own illicit businesses and employ each other.

3. Even habitually hiring illegal aliens doesn't appear to be a felony (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1324a section (f)), so immigration officers such as ICE agents require a warrant to make an arrest for that specific case (unless they witness the crime per https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1357 section (5)(a), and I'm not even sure what that means for the case of unlawfully employing someone).

4. Yes, of course realpolitik also plays a role. Clearly these businesses aren't part of some conspiracy to overrun the country with illegal immigrants, so it wouldn't make sense to get the owners on Trump's bad side. These businesses would hire citizens if they were willing to work for the same pay and under the same conditions, and generally it's been the Republicans opposing things like minimum wage increases.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by mrtesthah »

quercus wrote: post #75
mingus88 wrote: post #64

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Agreed. If this were about enforcing immigration law, they would first focus on red states with huge immigrant populations, where they would have full cooperation from the local government and citizens who overwhelmingly voted for Trump. Those supporters who care about enforcing immigration laws would directly benefit. This is obviously violence directed at Minnesota, who is led by a political opponent. It’s capital…

Who can resist a little schadenfreude.

LOL that lesbian bitch who got shot had it coming. amirite?

We know what it is you really want.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by ezst »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #403
ezst wrote: post #58

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…and another one, much less academic in style and substance, but no less informative and relevant: https://scribe.rip/@carmitage/i-researched-every-attempt-to-...

To be honest I didn't find the historical parallels as convincing in this article. I'm glad the author did recognize that we are in uncharted waters, but I think another potential reason to believe that our current fascist government is a little bit more restrained than earlier ones is due to the same forces that allowed it to rise in the first place - that is, social media and instantly viral videos. What has happen…

> The administration can tell all the lies they want about it, but most of us have eyeballs […] In the past, […] it would have been a case of "who do you believe, team A or team B?"

Damn I wish I could share your optimism. If one thing, social media has induced more division, and generalised the idea that "if you are not with me, you are against me". We are at a point where many are demonstrably more comfortable staying in their bubble of lies than willing to seek the truth out of it. And truth is unfortunately overrated.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by zahlman »

TimorousBestie wrote: post #398
zahlman wrote: post #375

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If I were in your shoes, I would consider dang’s response in this thread and contemplate whether this is the correct forum for your style of political analysis. I did observe some of this activity over the past couple days and note that many of your interlocutors were also flagged, downvoted, etc., and not always for clearly legitimate reasons. I turned on showdead for a while just to follow the plot. So it goes. I t…

I always have showdead on. I turned it on as soon as I learned that there was such a feature. Even the crypto scam posts amuse me.

I don't feel that I have a particular "style" of political analysis. In the case of ICE I'm not even doing political analysis; it's legal analysis.

I don't like seeing my communities swell with outrage that appears, to me, to be based on propaganda and ignorance. I would not be talking about these topics otherwise. And my defenses are not based in ideology, unless "the terms people are using here describe really serious terrible things, and shouldn't be abused" is an ideology.

I don't like being dissuaded from responding to it, because without any reassurance that it will be cleaned up as off-topic, that comes across to me as suppressing an opposed point of view. That especially galls on platforms that otherwise appear committed to open discussion of contentious topics.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by neogodless »

scruple wrote: post #314
neogodless wrote: post #295

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To beat a dead horse, propaganda works. And it's so much more pervasive than an occasional misleading message. Millions in the U.S. get "information" from a firehose of propaganda. That defines the reality they see. Others perhaps just feel hopeless but... want to believe that our constitutional democracy somehow manages to hold on and rebound.

It is exhausting and frustrating. What level of evidence is required here? And why? It's not unlike the article. Do we need to wait around for firing squads or something? What does it take for people to wake up?

A man doing no more than holding a communication device in the presence of federally assigned bounty hunters was shot at, and executed, by several of them.

Not a big delta between that and firing squad.

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