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Yes, It's Fascism

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Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by zahlman »

tptacek wrote: post #206
tombert wrote: post #205

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Let me just preempt this by saying that I think you and tomhow do a very good job at moderating, and I'm just some goober on the internet sitting on a high-horse, so take what I say with as much respect as possible. Hacker News is my favorite forum in no small part because this forum's users are, on average, a lot more educated than the average internet user. If not formally, a lot of the people here still do value l…

I think a useful litmus test for these kinds of stories is: do the people who most actively participate on them believe there's a conversation to be had, with multiple perspectives, not all of which agree with theirs? That's what this site is for. If not, they're wrong for this site; more than wrong, corrosive. The stories themselves aren't bad (I have a lot of strong political beliefs too), but they're incompatible…

> do the people who most actively participate on them believe there's a conversation to be had, with multiple perspectives, not all of which agree with theirs?

When I see a submission like the current one, I get the impression just from the title that the OP doesn't believe it.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by queenkjuul »

RealityVoid wrote: post #15
fugalfervor wrote: post #5

I am so terribly disturbed by the ICE shootings (and killings). There is no justification for them. This is supposed to be a nation of laws and the rights of those shot (to say nothing of those abducted and harassed, beaten, or removed without due process) has been so grossly violated that it's hard to believe. My heart aches for the countless victims of this band of fascists in the executive branch.

> I am so terribly disturbed by the ICE shootings (and killings). There is no justification for them. I think they are simply poorly trained people that are given free reign. The results are disastrous. They probably don't wake up thinking "Today I'm going to murder someone" but they just don't realize what they're doing. I'm not sure how it's at the destructiveness scale at this moment, but these organizations can a…

> They probably don't wake up thinking "Today I'm going to murder someone"

Oh they absolutely fucking do

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by zahlman »

mindslight wrote: post #230
tptacek wrote: post #206

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I think a useful litmus test for these kinds of stories is: do the people who most actively participate on them believe there's a conversation to be had, with multiple perspectives, not all of which agree with theirs? That's what this site is for. If not, they're wrong for this site; more than wrong, corrosive. The stories themselves aren't bad (I have a lot of strong political beliefs too), but they're incompatible…

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Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by queenkjuul »

palata wrote: post #89
burky wrote: post #34

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I think it's more than just poorly trained agents. Also framing it as "a gun goes off" doesn't track with the video footage I saw.

I am totally against ICE, but I came here to say that I agree with the parent. In situations of stress like this, you never know how one may react. It takes a great deal of training to be able to stay calm and rational in such situations. Obviously, the ICE agents have to rationalise what they do. "We are the good guy, we work against the bad guys". But I don't think that they wake up in the morning hoping that they…

They have made it so abundantly clear that they absolutely do not see these people as "average Americans" that i genuinely do not know how you can say so.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by queenkjuul »

protastus wrote: post #59

The Trump administration has gone so far down the path of fascism and crime that I'm convinced they don't simply want to be in power indefinitely -- they need it. Otherwise, the moment a law-abiding president gets elected, there will be criminal charges against all involved. And there's no statute of limitations for murder. I believe this country will need massive investigations and criminal trials to heal. I am conc…

No chance in hell Democrats do a single thing to these people when they're out of power. If anything it'll be a Democrat justifying more ICE shootings so as "not to look weak on immigration"

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by Schmerika »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #276
Schmerika wrote: post #270

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Politics is not and was never barred from HN, if that was your point. And, rising fascism would/does directly and massively affect every tech worker in the US. But we're talking about HN censoring topics, in general - not just politics. I'll give you an example with a tech story I commented on just 3 hours ago [0]. Sourced from the BBC, with a correct headline, not a dupe, generating discussion, upvoted, relevant, im…

This is automated, if the story gets enough flags (the [dead] part, that is). It sucks, but this is apparently what (some) of the community want.

Since when can you not comment on flagged stories though? Or see them in your own favorites??

Like, I can still comment on other flagged stories even now, but on that one I couldn't. It's since been unflagged, so I guess I can't prove it, but I've never seen this site act like that... Real memory hole stuff.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by runjake »

mickle00 wrote: post #129
messe wrote: post #112

This should not have been flagged off the front page. I really worry for the people in the US, but I'm hopeful it's hegemony is ending.

I really wish there was more transparency around mod actions

Does this help?

https://news.ycombinator.com/flagged

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by mindslight »

tstrimple wrote: post #274
JeremyNT wrote: post #195

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The left / right split isn't really meaningful in the United States right now. The split is currently between people who believe in and want a functional and equitable government, and those who are fine with a kleptocracy as long as they are personally the beneficiaries (or at least, the people they dislike suffer worse). People like Frum were quick to notice this and get on the correct side of it. Unfortunately, the…

It must just be a coincidence that literally everyone supporting this is on the right politically. Isn't this sort of weasel wording part of the problem? Conservative voters are the problem. Full stop. Without them, there is no Trump.

nit: Fascist voters who think of themselves as "conservative" are the problem. Actual conservatives wouldn't support Trump attacking institution after institution, both domestic and international.

My point isn't to defend the behavior of the people who have called themselves conservative for the past ~forty years. Rather it's meant to reclaim the term for what has now clearly become the middle of the Overton window. For example, never before having voted for a major party candidate in a national race in my whole life, I voted Biden in 2020 and Harris 2024. I consider these solidly conservative votes, and partially attribute them to my getting older and more conservative.

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