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Yes, It's Fascism

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Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by RealityVoid »

fugalfervor wrote: post #108
RealityVoid wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I _think_ it's satire?

What makes you think that? They have posted multiple times in this thread with basically the same post.

I think his edit? I read the edit as him pointing out that political posts get flagged on the front page. But it's obviously not flagged because of the rules, it's flagged because _someone_ is flagging this stuff. I say this because the first minutes of the post existence, it oscillated between flagged and un-flagged. Surely, we also triggered the comment activity trigger that auto-flags the post, some anti-flamewar measure.

Also, this phrase from him:

> This is an inconvenient perspective that some of the more well-funded and well-connected Hacker News readers would prefer to ignore.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by messe »

This should not have been flagged off the front page.

I really worry for the people in the US, but I'm hopeful it's hegemony is ending.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by analognoise »

RealityVoid wrote: post #15
fugalfervor wrote: post #5

I am so terribly disturbed by the ICE shootings (and killings). There is no justification for them. This is supposed to be a nation of laws and the rights of those shot (to say nothing of those abducted and harassed, beaten, or removed without due process) has been so grossly violated that it's hard to believe. My heart aches for the countless victims of this band of fascists in the executive branch.

> I am so terribly disturbed by the ICE shootings (and killings). There is no justification for them. I think they are simply poorly trained people that are given free reign. The results are disastrous. They probably don't wake up thinking "Today I'm going to murder someone" but they just don't realize what they're doing. I'm not sure how it's at the destructiveness scale at this moment, but these organizations can a…

These Nazis know what they’re doing.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by shitter »

mistermaster1 wrote: post #80

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This comment betrays a misunderstanding of history and of what fascism is and doesn't even engage with the article's points. A totalitarian fascist state does not come into being all at once; it emerges in steps that tend towards that outcome, steps which the article discusses in detail. Furthermore, that nascent fascism can be defeated through electoral means does not preclude it from being fascism.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by culi »

tstrimple wrote: post #102
renewiltord wrote: post #41

It's true. This kind of authoritarian state violence is pretty reminiscent of fascism. Especially what looks like a gangland execution of a man who could only ever be described as exercising his 2A rights by carrying a firearm undrawn legally under his CCW. However, the list of things that have been called fascism are so long that I have to admit that my eyes initially glazed over the headline because many things hav…

Found another one of them... 2015: You're overreacting! 2016: You're overreacting! 2017: You're overreacting! 2018: You're overreacting! 2019: You're overreacting! 2020: You're overreacting! 2021: You're overreacting! 2022: You're overreacting! 2023: You're overreacting! 2024: You're overreacting! 2025: How could we possibly have known things would have gone this way?!

HN in a nutshell. Everyone wants to look measured and above it all. I feel like I've seen more posts about Dan Kahan's cultural cognition than about the actual killings themselves

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by acqq »

blibble wrote: post #60
ezst wrote: post #53

> So the United States, once the world’s exemplary liberal democracy, is now a hybrid state combining a fascist leader and a liberal Constitution; but no, it has not fallen to fascism. And it will not. That's some optimism right there.

> world’s exemplary liberal democracy this has never been the case either, unless you're listening to USian television/movies

European, not accidentally, also mostly deliver the same, misleading, narrative.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by cogman10 »

csense wrote: post #30

Everyone's paying a lot of attention to how bad Trump is, or the midterms. My question is, what happens in 2028? How much of current policy is something the majority of Republican voters (let alone the American people) or the political class actually want and would do without Trump to lead them? How much is only being implemented due to Trump's choices, political style and cult of personality? (Assuming Constitutiona…

I'm, frankly, terrified for 2 reasons.

First up, I don't think the republican party moderates in 2029. The Trump mentality is the new normal and I believe republicans are just going to keep trying to be as fascist as possible as long as possible. We've learned that there are basically no limits on a corrupt presidency and I really fear what that will mean for any future republican president.

But secondly, I'm afraid that Democrats aren't rising to the occasion. They aren't putting forward meaningful reforms or changes to address the fascism. In terms of ICE, a lot of them are trying to put forward meaningless reforms like "let's give them more training" or "let's put their names in a QR code". The entire agency needs nuremberg style trials at this point and some Dems want to give them a weekend meeting with HR.

These two facts scare the shit out of me. Because, my fear is we will see a repeat of 2024 in 2032. Assuming we have free and fair elections, I can see a Democrat becoming president in 2028, doing nothing to address the systemic problems exposed by trump, and ultimately a new republican will be voted in in 2032 because people are sick of nothing getting better under democrats. And that 2032 republican president will ultimately know they can do everything Trump did and they'll be cheered on by the base.

Democrats need to be messaging about real positive changes they'll make.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by jay_kyburz »

card_zero wrote: post #82
ks2048 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If 15 years of dictatorship is one of the few positive examples, that is not a good sign.

Well how many examples have there been anyway? Maybe six, under a range of definitions? Besides, historicism (inevitabilism) is wrong.

I agree, and I wish I was able to delete the post. I thought afterwards the question itself is a little poor taste.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by cogman10 »

mingus88 wrote: post #64
mickle00 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

logic would indicate that its either (or both) (1) its not about immigration (it's about power and control thru fear) or (2) they're idiots

Agreed. If this were about enforcing immigration law, they would first focus on red states with huge immigrant populations, where they would have full cooperation from the local government and citizens who overwhelmingly voted for Trump. Those supporters who care about enforcing immigration laws would directly benefit. This is obviously violence directed at Minnesota, who is led by a political opponent. It’s capital…

> everyone on the right has grandfathers that are ashamed of them.

There's plenty of German heritage in the US. There was a decent number of grandparents who thought the US was on the wrong side of WW2.

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