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Yes, It's Fascism

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Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by tartoran »

csense wrote: post #30

Everyone's paying a lot of attention to how bad Trump is, or the midterms. My question is, what happens in 2028? How much of current policy is something the majority of Republican voters (let alone the American people) or the political class actually want and would do without Trump to lead them? How much is only being implemented due to Trump's choices, political style and cult of personality? (Assuming Constitutiona…

I don't think things are going back to how they were before Trump and will only continue in the same direction unless midterm elections don't get canceled/abused, and in that case Trump would get impeached. But that doesn't mean too much. There are fundamental problems that Democrats were unwilling to tackle and are likely to do nothing about.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by selecsosi »

lamontcg wrote: post #45

People are kind of missing the fact that you can draw a line from slave catchers and slave patrols to ICE. You don't have to go through Germany.

If anything, there's lots of writing on how Germany was ultimately inspired by socio-political events here in the USA on how to conduct their fascist behavior.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by ezst »

> So the United States, once the world’s exemplary liberal democracy, is now a hybrid state combining a fascist leader and a liberal Constitution; but no, it has not fallen to fascism. And it will not.

That's some optimism right there.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by mickle00 »

mingus88 wrote: post #43
quercus wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because most people are happy to see immigration laws enforced.

Then why isn’t ICE in the states with the most immigrants?

logic would indicate that its either (or both) (1) its not about immigration (it's about power and control thru fear) or (2) they're idiots

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by ks2048 »

freitasm wrote: post #28
jay_kyburz wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After reading this piece I was wondering if there were any examples of a fascist state that were deposed by peace, or whether armed conflict is now inevitable.

There are few, Spain's King Juan Carlos I being crowned king after Francisco Franco's death, and Chile's Pinochet leaving power after the 1988 referendum for example.

If 15 years of dictatorship is one of the few positive examples, that is not a good sign.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by ezst »

azakai wrote: post #33
Kaibeezy wrote: post #25

If you are debating whether to read this article, read it. It’s comprehensive and precise, and although political in substance, not political in form — test-fitting an imprecise definition. The fact it also reaches a firm conclusion (spoiler alert right there in the title) is depoliticized by allowing for malleable application. A benchmark article I will now go share elsewhere. What’s left to talk about? How to react…

If this interested you, here is another detailed and precise article by a historian, on the same topic: https://acoup.blog/2024/10/25/new-acquisitions-1933-and-the-...

…and another one, much less academic in style and substance, but no less informative and relevant:

https://scribe.rip/@carmitage/i-researched-every-attempt-to-...

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by protastus »

The Trump administration has gone so far down the path of fascism and crime that I'm convinced they don't simply want to be in power indefinitely -- they need it. Otherwise, the moment a law-abiding president gets elected, there will be criminal charges against all involved. And there's no statute of limitations for murder.

I believe this country will need massive investigations and criminal trials to heal. I am concerned with what happens in between, but this is reality as I see it.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by blibble »

ezst wrote: post #53

> So the United States, once the world’s exemplary liberal democracy, is now a hybrid state combining a fascist leader and a liberal Constitution; but no, it has not fallen to fascism. And it will not. That's some optimism right there.

> world’s exemplary liberal democracy

this has never been the case either, unless you're listening to USian television/movies

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