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Yes, It's Fascism

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Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by Herring »

eudamoniac wrote: post #169

I read through every comment in this thread and no one seems to be addressing that the people voted for this . They'll probably vote for it again in the midterms and/or 2028. You're despairing over a democratic outcome. What do you actually propose that would fix this? Disenfranchise half the country? Outlaw things people are voting for to happen? Any criticism needs to address how we democratically counter this regi…

Yeah Americans don't want to face that their culture is the problem. Trump is still slightly more popular than he was at this point during his first term

https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-approval-ratings-nate-sil...

They'd have to change the fundamental nature of business. Most US companies are run like tiny little fascist dictatorships, which is a great training ground for the real thing. The relationship between capital (owners/management) and labor is usually adversarial with "at-will" employment. Contrast in Norway, where businesses operate within a 3-way Agreement (Trepartssamarbeidet) - a formal cooperation between the government, employers' associations, and trade unions.

Americans would have to change capitalism too. The most reliable way to prevent the rise of the far right is to implement robust safety nets and low inequality, to reduce status anxiety and grievance.

But even in this thread they don't want to do that.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by ryandrake »

nicbou wrote: post #252
datsci_est_2015 wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You will be affected by the (hypothetical) fall of American hegemony, whether it’s increased aggression in spheres of influence (Russia, China, India), market failures, or even a fracturing or collapse of digital services (Azure, AWS). I don’t understand the insistence that this isn’t on topic. Hard not to paint it as anything but willfully ignorant.

I'm not ignorant. I just don't want it in my morning cereal when it's also everywhere else. Awareness of your country's politics definitely isn't the issue here. I am keenly aware of the US presidents' threats to invade my country. The issue is the insistence that it has to be discussed in every community, all the time, and that the importance transcends categorisation. Every website just becomes another dumping grou…

The web site already has a tool for this: The "hide" button. If you don't want to see an article, just click it and go on eating your cereal.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by ryandrake »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #256
figgis wrote: post #238

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This is a really rough spot, giving users the tools to remove visibility from a post will eventually get abused. I would genuinely be interested in some form of anonymized stats on the individual accounts and the posts they are flagging but that's a whole deal. Am I wrong that there used to be a flagged option on the lists page, or am I missing where that is?

Honestly I don't ask for anonymized stats but rather public stats. If you flag a post, you are inadvertedly trying to push a hn post away. That's fine if the current moderation finds it okay and I respect HN moderation but once again another post gets flagged & dead. If someone flags a post, they should have a reasoning why. So have it public, so that its easier to call people out if they are being unfair and it woul…

Flagged articles should just list the usernames that flagged it--in a queryable way so anyone could do an analysis and see who is operating in bad faith.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by tstrimple »

JeremyNT wrote: post #195
throw0101c wrote: post #135

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> If you are debating whether to read this article, read it. It’s comprehensive and precise, and although political in substance […] Also perhaps worth noting that David Frum, former speech writer to Dubya Bush, writes for The Atlantic (and has been against Trump from the start: see his book Trumpocracy ): * https://www.theatlantic.com/author/david-frum/ So we're not just talking about 'leftists' criticizing these ac…

The left / right split isn't really meaningful in the United States right now. The split is currently between people who believe in and want a functional and equitable government, and those who are fine with a kleptocracy as long as they are personally the beneficiaries (or at least, the people they dislike suffer worse). People like Frum were quick to notice this and get on the correct side of it. Unfortunately, the…

It must just be a coincidence that literally everyone supporting this is on the right politically. Isn't this sort of weasel wording part of the problem? Conservative voters are the problem. Full stop. Without them, there is no Trump.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by deinonychus »

atomic_reed wrote: post #220
JeremyNT wrote: post #195

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The left / right split isn't really meaningful in the United States right now. The split is currently between people who believe in and want a functional and equitable government, and those who are fine with a kleptocracy as long as they are personally the beneficiaries (or at least, the people they dislike suffer worse). People like Frum were quick to notice this and get on the correct side of it. Unfortunately, the…

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Are you okay? Is this an AI experiment?

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

Schmerika wrote: post #270
tim333 wrote: post #267

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It's more tech not politics.

Politics is not and was never barred from HN, if that was your point. And, rising fascism would/does directly and massively affect every tech worker in the US. But we're talking about HN censoring topics, in general - not just politics. I'll give you an example with a tech story I commented on just 3 hours ago [0]. Sourced from the BBC, with a correct headline, not a dupe, generating discussion, upvoted, relevant, im…

This is automated, if the story gets enough flags (the [dead] part, that is). It sucks, but this is apparently what (some) of the community want.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by nicbou »

krapp wrote: post #253
nicbou wrote: post #252

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I'm not ignorant. I just don't want it in my morning cereal when it's also everywhere else. Awareness of your country's politics definitely isn't the issue here. I am keenly aware of the US presidents' threats to invade my country. The issue is the insistence that it has to be discussed in every community, all the time, and that the importance transcends categorisation. Every website just becomes another dumping grou…

I'm looking at the front page right now and it's entirely "news for hackers." You had to go out of your way to find this thread and make multiple comments complaining about it. Just ignore the thread, or hide it and move on.

Yes, because the flagging system works. I'm advocating for things staying that way

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by scruple »

blks wrote: post #240

Everyone having doubts, just wait until it’s time for the new presidential election, and see if power will be given up willingly. Hopefully old man won’t be around that long

Is this common belief grounded in reality? We're well past the notion that the "old man" (and his VP, as well as most, if not all of his cabinet) believes in the law and he has stacked the deck in his favor.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by DeusExMachina »

ryandrake wrote: post #272
nicbou wrote: post #252

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I'm not ignorant. I just don't want it in my morning cereal when it's also everywhere else. Awareness of your country's politics definitely isn't the issue here. I am keenly aware of the US presidents' threats to invade my country. The issue is the insistence that it has to be discussed in every community, all the time, and that the importance transcends categorisation. Every website just becomes another dumping grou…

The web site already has a tool for this: The "hide" button. If you don't want to see an article, just click it and go on eating your cereal.

That can be said about any post that goes against the guidelines. At that point, why even have guidelines in the first place?

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by zahlman »

dang wrote: post #214
zzleeper wrote: post #213

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The problem is that a relatively small group of people (flaggers) just veto what we see and don't see. This made sense when we relied on flagging to just remove spam, useless posts, etc. but its now being used to remove anything that goes against MAGA. I'm pretty sure that if you sqldump the list of flaggers of this and other posts (like the MN posts) you will find it's not a uniformly distributed list of users.

You've replied before I even had a chance to add a second sentence! Edit: admittedly it is taking longer than usual... I've answered that point many times, e.g. recently here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46378818 . If you take a look at that and have a question that isn't answered there (or here), I'd be happy to take a crack at it. I haven't had a chance to look at the flaggers of these recent stories to ve…

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