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Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by scarecrowbob »

C6JEsQeQa5fCjE wrote: post #260
scarecrowbob wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeh, the poster should have also at least name checked the administrative detention system of CIA's Phoenix program in Vietnam, which seems like a reasonable test-bed for many of the recent and horrific systems and a kind of common ancestor to both of the US ICE agency and its cousins in the Levant. Leaving that bit of history out certain seems like a missed point of history, and absent that your parent post's point…

When going back into history, examples become too abstract, a thing that other people did, in different times. The example I used is not only recent, it is still ongoing. It is right there in front of domestic authoritarians, showing them how it can be done in this day and age. And it is right there in front of the general population, showing them what can and will be done to them if they do not make it clear to thei…

I think I agree with you- I was just adding in some context because, from my position your point is very fair.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

ryandrake wrote: post #273
Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly I don't ask for anonymized stats but rather public stats. If you flag a post, you are inadvertedly trying to push a hn post away. That's fine if the current moderation finds it okay and I respect HN moderation but once again another post gets flagged & dead. If someone flags a post, they should have a reasoning why. So have it public, so that its easier to call people out if they are being unfair and it woul…

Flagged articles should just list the usernames that flagged it--in a queryable way so anyone could do an analysis and see who is operating in bad faith.

100%

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by zahlman »

mingus88 wrote: post #43
quercus wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because most people are happy to see immigration laws enforced.

Then why isn’t ICE in the states with the most immigrants?

They are. (see e.g. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/are-cities-ice-raids-ar...) And they have been, the whole time.

ICE has arrested and deported far more people from Texas than Minnesota (e.g. https://www.texasstandard.org/stories/texas-immigration-crac...; https://www.newsweek.com/map-shows-states-ice-arrest-immigra...; https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/politics/im...; many other sources can easily be found).

You don't hear about it so much (unless you go looking) because Texas isn't a sanctuary state. Texas law enforcement supports and assists ICE, and Texas government officials don't encourage protests (and would tell protesters, if asked, not to obstruct and not to resist arrest). So there is no major conflict, minimal protest, and essentially no news coverage.

Minnesota government officials, on the other hand, seem to be interpreting 10A well beyond any precedent I ever heard of, and don't seem particularly interested in the consequences of the Supremacy Clause. In fact they have repeatedly falsely claimed that ICE are "not real law enforcement".

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by zahlman »

xnx wrote: post #177
eudamoniac wrote: post #169

I read through every comment in this thread and no one seems to be addressing that the people voted for this . They'll probably vote for it again in the midterms and/or 2028. You're despairing over a democratic outcome. What do you actually propose that would fix this? Disenfranchise half the country? Outlaw things people are voting for to happen? Any criticism needs to address how we democratically counter this regi…

> Disenfranchise half the country? Way more than half the country was disenfranchised in the last election. Best case scenario (and very unlikely scenario): blue sweep in the next elections and then massive electoral reform.

> Way more than half the country was disenfranchised in the last election.

Over 152 million votes were cast, representing more than 64% turnout among those eligible to vote (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidentia...).

The USA has about 342 million people, and over 18% of them are age 14 or younger (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_Sta...) and at least some of them are 15-17 (citation needed). So clearly, doing some arithmetic, there are fewer than 304 million adults.

Not only was "half the country" not "disenfranchised", literally a majority of adults actually voted (and this is not even considering that not all adults were statutorily allowed to vote in the first place).

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by neogodless »

scruple wrote: post #278
blks wrote: post #240

Everyone having doubts, just wait until it’s time for the new presidential election, and see if power will be given up willingly. Hopefully old man won’t be around that long

Is this common belief grounded in reality? We're well past the notion that the "old man" (and his VP, as well as most, if not all of his cabinet) believes in the law and he has stacked the deck in his favor.

To beat a dead horse, propaganda works. And it's so much more pervasive than an occasional misleading message.

Millions in the U.S. get "information" from a firehose of propaganda.

That defines the reality they see. Others perhaps just feel hopeless but... want to believe that our constitutional democracy somehow manages to hold on and rebound.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by tencentshill »

eudamoniac wrote: post #169

I read through every comment in this thread and no one seems to be addressing that the people voted for this . They'll probably vote for it again in the midterms and/or 2028. You're despairing over a democratic outcome. What do you actually propose that would fix this? Disenfranchise half the country? Outlaw things people are voting for to happen? Any criticism needs to address how we democratically counter this regi…

Only republicans are actively destroying federal voter protections. Many red states already run elections with ridiculous voting restrictions. It's up to the federal government to discourage those practices, not encourage them. Luckily, they cannot mandate such changes.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by xnx »

zahlman wrote: post #294
xnx wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Disenfranchise half the country? Way more than half the country was disenfranchised in the last election. Best case scenario (and very unlikely scenario): blue sweep in the next elections and then massive electoral reform.

> Way more than half the country was disenfranchised in the last election. Over 152 million votes were cast, representing more than 64% turnout among those eligible to vote ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidentia... ). The USA has about 342 million people, and over 18% of them are age 14 or younger ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_Sta... ) and at least some of them are…

Because of the electoral college, gerrymandering, and other reasons (e.g. District of Columbia) many votes don't count at all or count far less.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by zahlman »

mingus88 wrote: post #64
mickle00 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

logic would indicate that its either (or both) (1) its not about immigration (it's about power and control thru fear) or (2) they're idiots

Agreed. If this were about enforcing immigration law, they would first focus on red states with huge immigrant populations, where they would have full cooperation from the local government and citizens who overwhelmingly voted for Trump. Those supporters who care about enforcing immigration laws would directly benefit. This is obviously violence directed at Minnesota, who is led by a political opponent. It’s capital…

> If this were about enforcing immigration law, they would first focus on red states with huge immigrant populations

They did; see my other reply.

Re: Yes, It's Fascism

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Post by nicbou »

DeusExMachina wrote: post #279
ryandrake wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The web site already has a tool for this: The "hide" button. If you don't want to see an article, just click it and go on eating your cereal.

That can be said about any post that goes against the guidelines. At that point, why even have guidelines in the first place?

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