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Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by jokoon »

simonw wrote: post #2

Any time I see people say "I don't see why I should care about my privacy, I've got nothing to hide" I think about how badly things can go if the wrong people end up in positions of power. The classic example here is what happens when someone is being stalked by an abusive ex-partner who works in law enforcement and has access to those databases. This ICE stuff is that scaled up to a multi-billion dollar federal agen…

The source of the problem is the respect of the rule of law and due process

Data collection is not the source of the problem because people give their data willingly

Do you think data collection is a problem in China, or do you think the government and rule of law is the problem?

Companies collecting data is not the true problem. Even when data collection is illegal, a corrupt government that doesn't respect the rule of law doesn't need data collection.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by tombert »

direwolf20 wrote: post #453
tombert wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This ICE stuff is that scaled up to a multi-billion dollar federal agency with, apparently, no accountability for following the law at all. Apparently any time they do anything horrifying, they will just declare that victim as a "terrorist" or something, and their sycophantic supporters will happily agree. What I find amusing is that when the Snowden leaks happened and I would discuss it, when I said something like…

How do we know whether they're people or bots?

Well in my case I was referring to actual vocal conversations I've had with humans, either in person or on MS Teams.

I suppose that there could be an extremely elaborate LLM to control humanoid robots to try and fool me, but I do not believe that's the case.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by tombert »

pandaman wrote: post #456
tombert wrote: post #448

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Yeah, true, they're just murdering civilians in the blue states.

Can't talk for all Red states, but in Austin, TX the city police is arresting even people who try to interfere with traffic, even more so people who interfere with federal agents so there is a little chance someone reads reddit, figures there is nothing going to happen if he or she lays hands on a fed and get lit. Now, I've seen quite a few of videos from Minneapolis and there were literally 0 MPD officers in any of…

Oh, well if you saw like four videos on YouTube or TikTok I guess that's sufficient evidence for me.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by rlt »

AngryData wrote: post #417
libpcap wrote: post #308

Immigration laws, like any other laws, need to be enforced, right?

No, just because something is illegal doesn't mean it should be ruthlessly enforced with dangerous and deadly action or even enforced at all when the majority of the public doesn't support them. Do you believe the feds should go into marijuana legal states and start arresting everybody for breaking the law? Marijuana is illegal after all.

If the president campaigned on a promise to arrest everyone breaking marijuana laws, then maybe.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by [deleted] »

crimsoneer wrote: post #260
RickJWagner wrote: post #230

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Don’t forget about social media posts. In the UK, people are being jailed for those today . Imagine if they used your past post history against you.

No they're not. An incredibly small number of people might get arrested if policing cocks up. Nobody is being jailed.

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Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by lovich »

zugi wrote: post #311
iso1631 wrote: post #258

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In the US if you make a social media post threatening the president you are breaking the law and can be sent to jail just as much as if you said it

These are both true statements, but there's a huge difference in scale. The UK arrests 12,000 people per year for social media posts ( https://freedomhouse.org/country/united-kingdom/freedom-net/... ), for a broad range of vague reasons including causing offense. That's far more than much larger totalitarian nations like Russia and China. The US arrests folks for direct online threats of violence - a much higher bar.

Not anymore. Now in the US you can be arrested if cops think you disrespected a dead guy they liked[1]

[1] https://apnews.com/article/charlie-kirk-meme-tennessee-arres...

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by jaco6 »

nullocator wrote: post #377
fastball wrote: post #344

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How does that work? As a US citizen, no amount of "harassment" is going to stop me from voting.

Are you a citizen, can you prove it at the polling station? I am doubtful you are, and your documents if you have them don't seem legit enough, so I think we'll set your vote aside, or possibly prevent it from being cast; we can't be too sure!

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Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by charcircuit »

azan_ wrote: post #395
charcircuit wrote: post #356

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There weren't ex post facto laws being passed during the holocaust. >the early stages of despotic rule literally today in Minnesota This type of thinking is what is leading to the destruction of order there.

> This type of thinking is what is leading to the destruction of order there. Are you sure it's this kind of thinking that's at fault? I would've said that it's actually caused by giving people without training and any serious screening extreme power with absolutely zero accountability. Would love to hear your take on this though.

Yes, I am sure it plays a factor, giving people justification for their actions. The issue is that restoring order is not easy. And when the people making disorder are antagonistic to the people restoring order that clash leads to unfortunate scenarios. Lack of training (specifically direct experience of dealing with such behavior) or screening plays a role in how order is restored but these are reactive actions. In my mind everyone would be better off if we all maintained order so these clashes didn't have to happen in the first place.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by chowchowchow »

charcircuit wrote: post #371
RHSeeger wrote: post #354

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But there are people trying to hide their locations even though they are here legally; because ICE has made it very clear they don't care if you're here legally or not. They arrest and deport US citizens. They arrest and deport people that show up to court to become US citizens. It's clear the government cannot be trusted to use information in a reasonable way; so we should not allow them to get that information.

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>This is systematically not true as citizens can not be legally deported.

And yet.

>If someone is not a citizen and are here illegally they should be removed, no matter their intentions. If you are willing to break the law to stay here, I personally don't want them back in the country.

Without even getting into the subject of kids who are brought here.. I just have to say, why? Immigrants are net contributors in the US. Many of these people who are here "illegally" are in a bureaucratic maze and are attempting to follow the rules. Some aren't, sure, but we live in a society where we don't draconianly punish people for a certain level of breaking the rules in cases where there is no real harm done. And I say deportation, particularly to 3rd country like the USA is doing now sometimes, qualifies as very draconian.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by contrarian1234 »

jokoon wrote: post #461
simonw wrote: post #2

Any time I see people say "I don't see why I should care about my privacy, I've got nothing to hide" I think about how badly things can go if the wrong people end up in positions of power. The classic example here is what happens when someone is being stalked by an abusive ex-partner who works in law enforcement and has access to those databases. This ICE stuff is that scaled up to a multi-billion dollar federal agen…

The source of the problem is the respect of the rule of law and due process Data collection is not the source of the problem because people give their data willingly Do you think data collection is a problem in China, or do you think the government and rule of law is the problem? Companies collecting data is not the true problem. Even when data collection is illegal, a corrupt government that doesn't respect the rule…

yeah, this is exactly it. all the arguments kind of boil down to

"well how about if the government does illegal or evil stuff?"

its very similar to arguments about the second ammendment. But laws and rules shouldnt be structured around expecting a future moment where the government isnt serving the people. At that moment the rules already dont matter

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