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Post by zugi »

iso1631 wrote: post #258
RickJWagner wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t forget about social media posts. In the UK, people are being jailed for those today . Imagine if they used your past post history against you.

In the US if you make a social media post threatening the president you are breaking the law and can be sent to jail just as much as if you said it

These are both true statements, but there's a huge difference in scale.

The UK arrests 12,000 people per year for social media posts ( https://freedomhouse.org/country/united-kingdom/freedom-net/... ), for a broad range of vague reasons including causing offense. That's far more than much larger totalitarian nations like Russia and China.

The US arrests folks for direct online threats of violence - a much higher bar.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by [deleted] »

thangalin wrote: post #113
simonw wrote: post #2

Any time I see people say "I don't see why I should care about my privacy, I've got nothing to hide" I think about how badly things can go if the wrong people end up in positions of power. The classic example here is what happens when someone is being stalked by an abusive ex-partner who works in law enforcement and has access to those databases. This ICE stuff is that scaled up to a multi-billion dollar federal agen…

> I've got nothing to hide. Some retorts for people swayed by that argument: "Can we put a camera in your bathroom?" "Let's send your mom all your text messages." "Ain't nothin' in my pockets, but I'd rather you didn't check." "Shall we live-stream your next doctor's appointment?" "May I watch you enter your PIN at the ATM?" "How about you post your credit card number on reddit?" "Care to read your high-school diary…

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Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by charcircuit »

blibble wrote: post #298
charcircuit wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Laws can not be applied retroactively. >ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation and much more. In this case you will very likely be given an option to leave or change (not possible for ethniticity). Wanting to be able to break the law in the future is not a just motivation.

> Laws can not be applied retroactively. I mean, I've read stupid takes on this website but this really takes the cake despots don't care about the law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_post_facto_law

>despots don't care about the law

This is such a low probability scenario that I don't think it's worth the average person to worry about.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by filoeleven »

gunsle wrote: post #149
asveikau wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They sold us on a lie about the extent of the illegal immigrant "problem". It's numerically impossible to make the promises they made and not deport people who it's hard to argue should be deported. Immigrants also commit crimes at fewer rates than US born people and crime is at all time lows. Yet they sold us for years on a crime moral panic and phantom "migrant crime". So you said, propose a solution that also invo…

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I think you forgot to plug your tinfoil hat in.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by ralph84 »

halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #211
ralph84 wrote: post #184

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For the line must always go up crowd, they feel a need. Not everyone is in the line must always go up crowd.

The line is always going to be going up somewhere. I’d rather it be where I live than not.

Then doesn't it make more sense for the people who prefer living among a high fertility rate to move to the places where there's a high fertility rate? Why should people who don't have that preference have to endure mass migration when they don't want, didn't ask, and didn't vote for it?

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Post by RHSeeger »

charcircuit wrote: post #292
steve1977 wrote: post #50

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Also always keep in mind that what is legal today might be illegal tomorrow. This includes things like your ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation and much more. You don't know today on which side of legality you will be in 10 years, even if your intentions are harmless.

Laws can not be applied retroactively. >ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation and much more. In this case you will very likely be given an option to leave or change (not possible for ethniticity). Wanting to be able to break the law in the future is not a just motivation.

Challenge.

Laws cannot an action a crime after it was committed. However,

- Civil rules can and do impact things retroactively

- Laws may not make something illegal retroactively, but the interpretation of a law can suddenly change; which works out the same thing.

- The thing you're doing could suddenly become illegal with on way for you to avoid doing it (such as people being here legally and suddenly the laws for what is legally changes). This isn't retroactive, but it might as well be.

It is _entirely_ possible for someone to act in a way that is acceptable today but is illegal, or incurs huge civil penalties, tomorrow.

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Post by saubeidl »

nailer wrote: post #304
noncoml wrote: post #176

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It is really disheartening and sad to see this community burying its head in the sand and ignoring what’s happening to our country

There’s probably a lot of people that have say mainstream left (eg Obama and Sanders statements around 2010), centrist and conservative views on illegal immigration and support enforcing the law. What you see as something bad happening is something very normal made more difficult by unhelpful state governments and vigilante groups.

Armed goons terrorizing cities, dragging people out to brutalize and murder them is not "something very normal".

It's what the brown shirts did.

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Post by tartoran »

crimsoneer wrote: post #272
SkyPuncher wrote: post #110

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For me, the angle is a bit different. I want privacy, but I also sense that the people who are really good at this (like Plantir) have so much proxy information available that individual steps to protect privacy are pretty much worthless. To me, this is a problem that can only be solved at the government/regulatory level.

Palantir don't sell data though, they just give you a software platform.

They don't sell the data, they sell access to that data

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by fluidcruft »

starkeeper wrote: post #303

Medicaide data is pretty much covered by HIPPA. So Evil. Also it seems like it is too late, even if a court says do not do it, they will anyway and get away with it since the supreme court rules the president is allowed to break the law. HELP I AM SOOOO F**NG ANGRY. Sorry I just don't have anywhere to safely put this rage.

HIPAA has mechanisms that allow government access (even if it were not Medicaid).

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by HellDunkel »

ambicapter wrote: post #285
HellDunkel wrote: post #267

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Not as clever as it may sound. It is perfectly possible that someone has nothing to hide in a good way, whereas someone without anything to say for himself cannot be easily imagined as a good faith social individual. So in a way this is comparing apples to bad apples and claiming they are perfectly equal.

> whereas someone without anything to say for himself cannot be easily imagined as a good faith social individual Huh? You can’t imagine boring people as a “good faith social individual”?

If you have nothing so say for yourself that is more than beeing boring, it is beeing indifferent which is just one step away from amoral.
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