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Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by actionfromafar »

Arch485 wrote: post #139
thangalin wrote: post #113

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> I've got nothing to hide. Some retorts for people swayed by that argument: "Can we put a camera in your bathroom?" "Let's send your mom all your text messages." "Ain't nothin' in my pockets, but I'd rather you didn't check." "Shall we live-stream your next doctor's appointment?" "May I watch you enter your PIN at the ATM?" "How about you post your credit card number on reddit?" "Care to read your high-school diary…

I think the "nothing to hide" argument is made for a different reason. People are unafraid of the government knowing certain things because they believe it will not have any real repercussions for them. The NSA knowing your search history is no big deal (as long as you're not looking for anything illegal), but your church knowing your search history would absolutely be a big deal.

When someone said "I got nothing to hide" I always took it to mean "I will tell the nazis when they come which house to look in".

It's good to know in advance who they are.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by bigyabai »

billy99k wrote: post #380
bigyabai wrote: post #370

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With all due respect, actually look at the replies to your comment here. You are arguing in bad faith. > How about local law enforcement just comply with ICE? Sanctuary cities and non-compliance brought this on these blue cities. No, they "brought this on" by ignoring due process. There is no world in which your stance justifies the extrajudicial execution of a detained US citizen.

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If you live in the US, this is relevant to you.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by anigbrowl »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #137
thangalin wrote: post #113

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> I've got nothing to hide. Some retorts for people swayed by that argument: "Can we put a camera in your bathroom?" "Let's send your mom all your text messages." "Ain't nothin' in my pockets, but I'd rather you didn't check." "Shall we live-stream your next doctor's appointment?" "May I watch you enter your PIN at the ATM?" "How about you post your credit card number on reddit?" "Care to read your high-school diary…

> Some retorts for people swayed by that argument Do any of these actually prompt someone to reconsider their position? They strike me as more of argument through being annoying than a good-faith attempt to connect with the other side.

Quite. I think a lot of Americans are acculturated (partly via movies and TV) to constant one-upmanship and trying to end disagreements with zingers. Look how many political videos on YouTube are titled 'Pundit you like DESTROYS person you disapprove of!' You see the same patterns in Presidential 'debates' and Congressional hearings. It's all very dramatic but lacking in real substance.

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Post by phatfish »

Rodeoclash wrote: post #290
keybored wrote: post #207

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I sometimes imagine that HN was a professional collective. Maybe working with the supply chain of foodstuffs. Carciogenic foodstuff would be legal. Environmental harzards getting into foodstuff would be legal. But there would be a highly ideological subgroup that would advocate for something that would very indirectly handle these problems. And the rest of the professional collective are mixed and divided on whether…

The older I get the more disconnected I feel from some of the posters on this site. I can't remember exactly when I joined, 2012ish maybe? But the takes people have seem to be getting wilder and wilder.

Most users here are American, have you seen what is happening in America?

The funny (sad) thing is all the hot takes about the UK or Europe being a "police state" because porn is being blocked for kids, or persistent abuse on social media actually has repercussion (as it does in the real world already).

Meanwhile ICE are murdering US citizens in the streets. Turns out American "free speech" doesn't prevent an authoritarian regime taking hold.

To clarify, i do believe in free speech. But until you are bundled into a black car for holding up poster with a political statement (like in Russia or China), you have free speech. Attempting to stop abuse on social media is not the same. The closest we have to preventing free speech in the UK is the Israel/Gaza "issue".

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Post by cma256 »

neumann wrote: post #358
cma256 wrote: post #337

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If citizenship is required to vote then how would accessing voter rolls suppress liberal voters? Honest question; I'm not concern trolling. I had to Google who's allowed to vote. I found this article[1] by the Brennan Center. It alleges this is an attempted federal takeover of elections but it doesn't suggest or allude to voter suppression. I'm not convinced by the article that having access to voter rolls can be con…

I don't understand your question. What does citizenship got to do with this?

I thought GP was arguing they were trying to find non-citizens on the voter rolls to intimidate them (which may be a misreading).

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Post by pyrophane »

cma256 wrote: post #337
jayd16 wrote: post #249

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Pam Bondi is now demanding voter rolls. It's clearly about suppressing liberal voters in liberal areas through a show of force. They're using this data to optimize who to harass.

If citizenship is required to vote then how would accessing voter rolls suppress liberal voters? Honest question; I'm not concern trolling. I had to Google who's allowed to vote. I found this article[1] by the Brennan Center. It alleges this is an attempted federal takeover of elections but it doesn't suggest or allude to voter suppression. I'm not convinced by the article that having access to voter rolls can be con…

Honestly my real fear is ICE agents at polling places on Election Day harassing would-be voters with citizenship checks and aggressive behavior, slowing things down and maybe causing some people to leave.

Regarding voter data though, if it becomes known that registering to vote as a minority will get you extra scrutiny from ICE, and perhaps a visit to your home, that would probably cause some citizens avoid voting altogether, especially if they are associated with people who are not her legally.

Either way, the federal government really has no right to that data or legitimate use for it, so hopefully they don't manage to get their hands on it.

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Post by azan_ »

charcircuit wrote: post #313
blibble wrote: post #298

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> Laws can not be applied retroactively. I mean, I've read stupid takes on this website but this really takes the cake despots don't care about the law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_post_facto_law >despots don't care about the law This is such a low probability scenario that I don't think it's worth the average person to worry about.

Wait, so you think government that will make some "ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation and much more" illegal is probable enough to consider such hypothetical situation, but government that will ignore law is where you draw the line?

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Post by AngryData »

mindslight wrote: post #107
kakacik wrote: post #91

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When your whole system works by giving absolutely ridiculous amount of power to a single individual who has nobody above or at least on the side capable of interfering and changing things, this is what you eventually get. Crossing fingers and praying given person isn't a complete psycho or worse is not going to cut it forever, is it. Especially when >50% of population welcomes such person with open arms, knowing well…

I don't disagree with where you're coming from. But to be fair, our system did have separation of powers and rough legal accountability for most of the time it was accruing so much power. The fascists just managed to get enough of the Supreme Council on board to sweep these away under the guises of unitary executive theory and blanket immunity for their new president-king. So from this perspective it's a matter of a…

Its every branch of the government. The federal government, largely through congressional legislation, has been amassing more and more power for longer than anyone has been alive, while willingly ceding large chunks of that power to the executive branch, while the executive was grooming and shaping the justice department.

Just the abuses of the commerce clause alone should show our government is full of corrupt power mongers.

And it goes down the list too. States taking power from counties, counties taking power from cities, judges, cops, and prosecutors claiming authority over more and more issues despite a lack of sound legal precedence or public approval.

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Post by halfmatthalfcat »

ralph84 wrote: post #315
halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #211

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The line is always going to be going up somewhere. I’d rather it be where I live than not.

Then doesn't it make more sense for the people who prefer living among a high fertility rate to move to the places where there's a high fertility rate? Why should people who don't have that preference have to endure mass migration when they don't want, didn't ask, and didn't vote for it?

Makes no sense at all imo, especially when you consider the origin story and melting pot ethos that made the US what it was in the first place.

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Post by nullocator »

sarchertech wrote: post #273
mindslight wrote: post #107

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I don't disagree with where you're coming from. But to be fair, our system did have separation of powers and rough legal accountability for most of the time it was accruing so much power. The fascists just managed to get enough of the Supreme Council on board to sweep these away under the guises of unitary executive theory and blanket immunity for their new president-king. So from this perspective it's a matter of a…

> Rather final ultimate authority needs to be distributed amongst the states. The unrest in Minnesota would be solved in a week if the governor could simply use the National Guard to restore law and order without worrying that the out of control federal executive would just take control of them We tried that with the Articles of Confederation. Then half the country tried it again 70 years later. It didn’t work out ei…

> Trump’s not even close to the worse President we’ve had. He’s just the craziest since television became widespread. FDR who is widely considered one of our best Presidents put nearly 100k US citizens of Japanese descent in interment camps.

They are putting people in interment camps right now, people are dying in them. You can find stories on a daily basis about discovered deaths in camps in texas being determined to be homicides, and those are just the ones we know about.

> Andrew Jackson committed literal genocide.

Give Trump time. Also the deaths as a result of just the destruction of USAID, millions of children will and are dying; it's comparable and beyond to the worst things any president has done in the history of the country

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