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Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by JoshTriplett »

charcircuit wrote: post #305
throw-qqqqq wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I usually just quote Snowden instead: “Ultimately, arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say.”

I feel "people should not have have consequences for what they say", and "people should be able to avoid consequences for what they have done", are separate concepts. One does not require believing in the other. For example I believe the former, but for the latter I believe everyone should be punished when they break the law.

People should have consequences for what they say, but not from the government. You should never be prosecuted for what you say, no matter how vile. But other people are free to exercise their rights in response, including freedom of association.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by fastball »

rcpt wrote: post #3

Wishful thinking but it would be real great if a future leader destroyed this infrastructure. I'm sure they'll run on not using it but when systems like this exist they tend to find applications

Destroying Medicaid would in fact solve the problem, that's true.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by array_key_first »

andy99 wrote: post #237
paganel wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When the computer code many of us are working on is directly shaping that politics I think that we should talk about it and stop hiding behind the bush.

Yeah so find a forum that’s for discussing that and discuss it there. Don’t try and force people who are discussing something else to talk about politics with you. Do you also randomly go onto GitHub issues and start talking politics because the people who are talking about repo bugs are “hiding behind a bush” and should talk about the political things you think are important instead?

Nobody is forcing you to do anything. You're choosing to comment. You're not being censored nor is your speech compelled.

This forum is for hacker news. Some people believe tech news related to politics qualifies, some don't.

Your perspective is equally arbitrary. You have no reasoning, no justification. So stop pretending you do.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by RHSeeger »

charcircuit wrote: post #289
simonw wrote: post #2

Any time I see people say "I don't see why I should care about my privacy, I've got nothing to hide" I think about how badly things can go if the wrong people end up in positions of power. The classic example here is what happens when someone is being stalked by an abusive ex-partner who works in law enforcement and has access to those databases. This ICE stuff is that scaled up to a multi-billion dollar federal agen…

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But there are people trying to hide their locations even though they are here legally; because ICE has made it very clear they don't care if you're here legally or not. They arrest and deport US citizens. They arrest and deport people that show up to court to become US citizens.

It's clear the government cannot be trusted to use information in a reasonable way; so we should not allow them to get that information.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by yoyohello13 »

midlander wrote: post #255
EngineerUSA wrote: post #186

Palantir is interesting. Founded by a closeted German, run by an Israeli operative, and a 3rd arm of the federal gov. I wish we could prosecute it in my lifetime for the numerous violations of privacy it undertakes, but the world does not work that way. The rich enjoy private jets subsidized by our hard-earned taxes, while violating ideals held by our Founding fathers (for what would Thiel or the current CEO know abo…

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It is ironic that so many of the American billionaires decrying the erosion of American culture were not even born in America.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by charcircuit »

blibble wrote: post #327
charcircuit wrote: post #313

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_post_facto_law >despots don't care about the law This is such a low probability scenario that I don't think it's worth the average person to worry about.

> This is such a low probability scenario how is it a low probability scenario? it's happened before, in living memory (there are still people alive that survived the holocaust) and you're seeing the early stages of despotic rule literally today in Minnesota

There weren't ex post facto laws being passed during the holocaust.

>the early stages of despotic rule literally today in Minnesota

This type of thinking is what is leading to the destruction of order there.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by RHSeeger »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #114
simonw wrote: post #2

Any time I see people say "I don't see why I should care about my privacy, I've got nothing to hide" I think about how badly things can go if the wrong people end up in positions of power. The classic example here is what happens when someone is being stalked by an abusive ex-partner who works in law enforcement and has access to those databases. This ICE stuff is that scaled up to a multi-billion dollar federal agen…

Are you against income tax? Are you against business registration? All of these are subject to the similar issues with the stalker ex abusing a position of power?

Are you saying that, because there is one way in which people are vulnerable, that it doesn't matter if we add more ways they are vulnerable? Because that makes no sense whatsoever.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by neumann »

cma256 wrote: post #337
jayd16 wrote: post #249

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Pam Bondi is now demanding voter rolls. It's clearly about suppressing liberal voters in liberal areas through a show of force. They're using this data to optimize who to harass.

If citizenship is required to vote then how would accessing voter rolls suppress liberal voters? Honest question; I'm not concern trolling. I had to Google who's allowed to vote. I found this article[1] by the Brennan Center. It alleges this is an attempted federal takeover of elections but it doesn't suggest or allude to voter suppression. I'm not convinced by the article that having access to voter rolls can be con…

I don't understand your question. What does citizenship got to do with this?

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by array_key_first »

nailer wrote: post #304
noncoml wrote: post #176

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It is really disheartening and sad to see this community burying its head in the sand and ignoring what’s happening to our country

There’s probably a lot of people that have say mainstream left (eg Obama and Sanders statements around 2010), centrist and conservative views on illegal immigration and support enforcing the law. What you see as something bad happening is something very normal made more difficult by unhelpful state governments and vigilante groups.

Anyone who believes ICE is legitimately trying to rectify illegal immigration is either too stupid to function or a liar.

Because I give the benefit of the doubt, I will assume most people are not that stupid. So, the only option left is they don't actually believe it, and it's just virtue signalling to their fascist overloads. Personally, I think that's a bit pathetic, not to mention naive. Nobody has any reason to think they will be spared, citizen or not.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by RHSeeger »

HumblyTossed wrote: post #106
andy99 wrote: post #73

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> less coverage or discussion than a new version of jQuery Pretty sure this is a feature not a bug. Most people aren’t here for political topics.

They should be aware of how tech is being used in political games though...

This.

The government doing bad things is a political topic.

How the government is using technology to do bad things is both a political and technology topic.

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