Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

eff.org

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

251–260 of 1001 posts

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

#251

Post by direwolf20 »

gruez wrote: post #233
direwolf20 wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if a law only has consequences for the people it's intended for? Let's say you have a requirement that all TVs should be registered, so you can make sure every TV owner has a TV licence. You find an unregistered TV, but the owner has a TV licence. Does it make sense to confiscate the TV? What purpose would that serve? Let's say you have a law that all people entering a country must be scrutinized to ensure no se…

>Let's say you have a law that all people entering a country must be scrutinized to ensure no serial killers get in. You find a guy who hasn't been scrutinized, but he's not a serial killer. Does it make sense to confiscate the guy? What purpose would that serve? To ensure that people go through the checkpoint in the first place? For instance, the point of airport security checkpoints is to make sure that no terroris…

Is the goal making sure everyone goes through the serial killer checkpoint, or is the goal stopping serial killers?

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

#252

Post by golem14 »

taurath wrote: post #121
andy99 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> less coverage or discussion than a new version of jQuery Pretty sure this is a feature not a bug. Most people aren’t here for political topics.

It gets down to the definition of political which is basically anything that might have a human cost, including to the people here. I have many coworkers having to upend their lives, some can’t currently leave the country. This is not worthy of discussion, but an esoteric library update is. Paul Graham posts are not political topics for some reason, but H1B people is. Technology, technology leaders, and technology co…

There is a fun German word capturing this: “Deutungshohheit”

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

#253

Post by paulryanrogers »

smitty1e wrote: post #164
paulryanrogers wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some states are too poor to effectively fund and maintain their own safety nets. It's common for folks laid off in these states to get a dubious mental health diagnosis to justify SSDI, because doctors know they have no prospects and could well become homeless without it.

So we mug other States rather than address the problem?

These states may be fundamentally too resource poor to effectively maintain their populations. So collectively we agreed that richer states should subsidize them, because no one wants to see their neighbors suffer unnecessarily. And in the hope that newer generations may invent or unlock other resources to break the cycles of poverty.

My fear is that many of these states are locked in a bubble of lies, a culture that longs for an imaginary and idealized past that never existed. That they'll continue raising generations of people who think they need to be an independent, 'rudged' individualist when that's never been possible anywhere. And once they fail they'll settle for punching down on people different than them.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

#254

Post by nemo44x »

sosomoxie wrote: post #190
PlanksVariable wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Immigrants do bring important social and cultural capital. But nobody here is arguing in favor of no immigration. The standard among countries all over the world is to regulate the flow of immigration via immigration law and deportation of people who violate that law. How could a massive influx of people happening faster than a system can react not strain the system? I saw this firsthand in schools and hospitals wher…

The US is not like many countries in that it was formed by illegal immigrants , and not just immigration, literal genocide and land theft of the indigenous people. That being said, all immigration policy is out of date. The world is connected now and the policies are an anachronism. > How could a massive influx of people happening faster than a system can react I don't agree that this is reality. Our system is not un…

> The US is not like many countries in that it was formed by illegal immigrants…

That’s a good argument for vigilantly enforcing immigration laws. Look what happens when you don’t.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

#255

Post by midlander »

EngineerUSA wrote: post #186

Palantir is interesting. Founded by a closeted German, run by an Israeli operative, and a 3rd arm of the federal gov. I wish we could prosecute it in my lifetime for the numerous violations of privacy it undertakes, but the world does not work that way. The rich enjoy private jets subsidized by our hard-earned taxes, while violating ideals held by our Founding fathers (for what would Thiel or the current CEO know abo…

[flagged]

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

#256

Post by gruez »

direwolf20 wrote: post #251
gruez wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Let's say you have a law that all people entering a country must be scrutinized to ensure no serial killers get in. You find a guy who hasn't been scrutinized, but he's not a serial killer. Does it make sense to confiscate the guy? What purpose would that serve? To ensure that people go through the checkpoint in the first place? For instance, the point of airport security checkpoints is to make sure that no terroris…

Is the goal making sure everyone goes through the serial killer checkpoint, or is the goal stopping serial killers?

So the is implication is that we should get rid of airport checkpoints, because our actual goal is to catch terrorists? What about speed enforcement cameras? The law might be that you drive 20 in a school zone, but isn't our goal to actually stop dangerous drivers? Actually, why even bother stopping dangerous drivers? The actual thing we care about is stopping accidents. If you're doing street racing at 4am, who's going to get hit?

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

#257

Post by nodra »

mikelitoris wrote: post #58
Analemma_ wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not gonna happen. The people who work at Palantir, if they’re not just there for the money, think they’re doing the right thing, they see themselves as keeping the country safe and improving government efficiency (and who could be against that?)

Nobody thinks that. They are there for money.

You would be surprised how pilled some people are. It’s unfortunate.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

#258

Post by iso1631 »

RickJWagner wrote: post #230
steve1977 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also always keep in mind that what is legal today might be illegal tomorrow. This includes things like your ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation and much more. You don't know today on which side of legality you will be in 10 years, even if your intentions are harmless.

Don’t forget about social media posts. In the UK, people are being jailed for those today . Imagine if they used your past post history against you.

In the US if you make a social media post threatening the president you are breaking the law and can be sent to jail just as much as if you said it

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

#260

Post by crimsoneer »

RickJWagner wrote: post #230
steve1977 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also always keep in mind that what is legal today might be illegal tomorrow. This includes things like your ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation and much more. You don't know today on which side of legality you will be in 10 years, even if your intentions are harmless.

Don’t forget about social media posts. In the UK, people are being jailed for those today . Imagine if they used your past post history against you.

No they're not. An incredibly small number of people might get arrested if policing cocks up. Nobody is being jailed.
Post reply on HN